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I am addressing your statement that people will misuse reasonable statements.
I guess I am actually putting what you said to the test. I am putting in a "limit" to your open ended statement.
here are two:
1) some religion's teaching match science data.
2) some religions teaching do not match science data.
stack those two statements against others to gain insight into the statements that are better for us to form a line logic off of.
are those two statements more/less/equal to the claims:
we should deny everything religion says so that theist can't use it and make atheism harder to sell?
we should deny everything atheist say because they don't believe in our god?
or is your statement the best base claim? "people misuse reasonable statements." good enough?
I am addressing your statement that people will misuse reasonable statements.
I guess I am actually putting what you said to the test. I am putting in a "limit" to your open ended statement.
here are two:
1) some religion's teaching match science data.
2) some religions teaching do not match science data.
stack those two statements against others to gain insight into the statements that are better for us to form a line logic off of.
are those two statements more/less/equal to the claims:
we should deny everything religion says so that theist can't use it and make atheism harder to sell?
we should deny everything atheist say because they don't believe in our god?
or is your statement the best base claim? "people misuse reasonable statements." good enough?
Whatever your claims are would you please state them, but beware any positive statements about "religion/spirituality "must be challenged".
I don’t either - that’s why I questioned it (and quoted you in post #766)
LOL! I was responding to so many different posts, I honestly forgot what we were talking about specifically around being exposed to religion....of course, everyone is exposed to it in some sense....I used the wrong word. I guess I meant to say I was never abused by religion!
What's disturbing about this is knowing some religious people even question that, just because we're atheists, we don't experience human emotions.
It may be part of the reason 'we' need to be on a forum like this
I wouldn't question that atheists have emotions, but I think spiritual feelings go beyond just emotions...but probably another area where we disagree! For me, those feelings are a link to something beyond myself. But I'm guessing atheists don't agree....(are we going to be kicked off this forum soon?)
Yes, in order to hopefully correct the image of atheists quite commonly held.And, in this case, by an othewise seemingly very nice person.
Your last statement is just nonsensical since anybody can do that about anything for any or no purpose whatsoever... just like you 'used' my post to even bring it up.
Say what???!!!! A seemingly very nice person!! I AM a very nice person! LOL! I did not mean to cause a ruckus over my question regarding atheists and spirituality/love of nature! It seems a pretty minor thing to fight over! I never meant to imply atheists don't have feelings or emotions. Whatever our beliefs regarding God, etc. we are all human and I imagine similar in most regards, but I did wonder...not everyone does have a love of nature, or strong reactions to music/art etc. I just wondered if atheists, who seem more inclined to be logical, rational thinkers might simply not possess these feelings as much as the believers and that might have something to do with their non-belief. Maybe they were just not programmed in the same way as believers. Just curiosity on my part...didn't mean to stir the pot!
Say what???!!!! A seemingly very nice person!! I AM a very nice person! LOL! I did not mean to cause a ruckus over my question regarding atheists and spirituality/love of nature! It seems a pretty minor thing to fight over! I never meant to imply atheists don't have feelings or emotions. Whatever our beliefs regarding God, etc. we are all human and I imagine similar in most regards, but I did wonder...not everyone does have a love of nature, or strong reactions to music/art etc. I just wondered if atheists, who seem more inclined to be logical, rational thinkers might simply not possess these feelings as much as the believers and that might have something to do with their non-belief. Maybe they were just not programmed in the same way as believers. Just curiosity on my part...didn't mean to stir the pot!
We’re all human beings - all capable of emotion, love, hate, knowledge, wonder. Atheism/theism doesn’t categorize us anymore than skin color. It really shouldn’t even be a question.
Say what???!!!! A seemingly very nice person!! I AM a very nice person! LOL! I did not mean to cause a ruckus over my question regarding atheists and spirituality/love of nature! It seems a pretty minor thing to fight over! I never meant to imply atheists don't have feelings or emotions. Whatever our beliefs regarding God, etc. we are all human and I imagine similar in most regards, but I did wonder...not everyone does have a love of nature, or strong reactions to music/art etc. I just wondered if atheists, who seem more inclined to be logical, rational thinkers might simply not possess these feelings as much as the believers and that might have something to do with their non-belief. Maybe they were just not programmed in the same way as believers. Just curiosity on my part...didn't mean to stir the pot!
No pot-stirring intended or perceived. FWIW, I have seen no (zero, nada, zilch) difference between believers and non-believers, in terms of... a connection to nature... an appreciation of and reaction to music, art, beauty... feeling part of something larger than ourselves... having a purpose in life. If some or all of that defines "sprituality," atheists/humanists are a pretty spiritual group!
Indeed, if anything, I have seen many non-believers who are MORE connected to the world than their religious peers... perhaps because they understand this is all they're going to get?
Indeed, if anything, I have seen many non-believers who are MORE connected to the world than their religious peers... perhaps because they understand this is all they're going to get?
I agree! And - it is why doing constructive, measurable things to help people on this earth makes more logical sense than praying (and also makes some non-believers more connected to the world).
I agree! And - it is why doing constructive, measurable things to help people on this earth makes more logical sense than praying (and also makes some non-believers more connected to the world).
No reason one can't do both if one is so inclined.
No pot-stirring intended or perceived. FWIW, I have seen no (zero, nada, zilch) difference between believers and non-believers, in terms of... a connection to nature... an appreciation of and reaction to music, art, beauty... feeling part of something larger than ourselves... having a purpose in life. If some or all of that defines "sprituality," atheists/humanists are a pretty spiritual group!
Indeed, if anything, I have seen many non-believers who are MORE connected to the world than their religious peers... perhaps because they understand this is all they're going to get?
Your response leaves me a bit confused again. I see no differences between us (and I'm speaking only for myself, not ALL believers) other that when I feel a spiritual connection, I believe I am actually connecting with someone/something and you all do not? Generally speaking? I believe that that someone/something hears me and responds and you all do not? Is that anywhere near accurate?
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