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Old 04-15-2019, 04:08 AM
Status: "Pr 6:16-19, JeffBase, Pneuma!" (set 13 days ago)
 
Location: Germany
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So you have just become the KING of conspiracy theories, Harry. You are propounding an over TWO MILLENNIA-LONG conspiracy.
No, I am doing history. Redefining history as a conspiracy theory is a pathetic straw man. And it would not take 2,000 years, it would only take a few decades (if that) for the conspiracy. After that it would just be a belief, no conspiracy would be required to sell this insurance hoax.

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Not only that, you ignore the fact that the prophecies do NOT specify (and couldn't possibly) the WAY they would be fulfilled. It doesn't matter how they were fulfilled given their origins over 700-800 centuries BEFORE the central person was even born!!
Clearly you have reading problems. I have allowed for h, that they may be prophecies, so I am not ignoring anything. You are ignoring one of !h explains your objection 100%.
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Old 04-15-2019, 04:12 AM
Status: "Pr 6:16-19, JeffBase, Pneuma!" (set 13 days ago)
 
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How do you keep this conspiratorial writing going so that events centuries and millennia after your rewriting still correspond with the narrative. You keep refusing to see the fallacy of attributing willful deception on the impact over two millennia. You want to join Harry in his conspiracy kingship?
If you insist historians (that you need to ignore) are conspiracy theorists, then I think we can ignore your assertions that ignore the evidence.
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Old 04-15-2019, 04:39 AM
 
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The impact that Jesus has had over two millennia is NOT fiddled, it is real. The Whys and Wherefores are irrelevant. That there are prophecies of His impact that can be traced to prophets 700-800 years BEFORE His birth is NOT a fiddle, it is remarkable. That there are other prophecies equally startling puts to the lie that there could ever be such a vast two millennia-long conspiracy covering the impact of a single individual. You prefer to ignore it or poo poo it, c'est la vie. I find it compelling especially in light of His match to the consciousness I encountered.
I can predict a man will come that will impact society for a 100 years. And people will be telling the stories for a 100 generations after that.

If all societies make that prediction at least one will come.
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Old 04-15-2019, 12:12 PM
 
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Mystic is getting to be more of a fundie every day.
Mystic is too critical of the Bible to be a Fundie. Yet he is more than happy to adapt stock Christian and even Creationist apologetics to his own Belief -system. After all, even a couple of Mormons who came to the door slipped back into the 'who made everything, then?' apologetic. In fact that is where I got it from.
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Old 04-15-2019, 12:21 PM
 
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Mystic is too critical of the Bible to be a Fundie. Yet he is more than happy to adapt stock Christian and even Creationist apologetics to his own Belief -system. After all, even a couple of Mormons who came to the door slipped back into the 'who made everything, then?' apologetic. In fact that is where I got it from.
A fundie has die-hard fundamental principles. Anyone can be a fundamentalist...the game is to paint the next guy as one in hopes that no one will vet you by the same standards.
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Old 04-15-2019, 12:31 PM
 
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A fundie has die-hard fundamental principles. Anyone can be a fundamentalist...the game is to paint the next guy as one in hopes that no one will vet you by the same standards.

Dunderheadalism....damn my misstyping...Religious Fundamentalism has a specific meaning; the literal and uncompromising application of the tenets of the religion and as based on its' scriptures.

The term has morphed through Islamic fundamentalist -links to the Islamic guerrilla war (called not unfairly, 'terrorism' as it uses indiscriminate methods to try scare the west into making terms or concessions - if there is any method in the madness at all) to be applied to anyone who uses militant and even violent methods to achieve their aims. It was probably inevitable that theism would apply the concept to activist atheism.

As you say, the theiopologetic hope is that the label will be taken as meaning both things - not just activist, but potentially terrorist.

And now I must do some work on the Book; finally checking off that I have analysed all verses, Raffs.
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Old Yesterday, 06:37 PM
 
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Not only that, you ignore the fact that the prophecies do NOT specify (and couldn't possibly) the WAY they would be fulfilled. It doesn't matter how they were fulfilled given their origins over 700-800 centuries BEFORE the central person was even born!!

"Fulfilled" is in the eye of the beholder, Mystic. That these prophecies look fulfilled to you says nothing about their legitimacy to the next guy and it remains a strictly subjective observation.
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Old Yesterday, 09:39 PM
 
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"Fulfilled" is in the eye of the beholder, Mystic. That these prophecies look fulfilled to you says nothing about their legitimacy to the next guy and it remains a strictly subjective observation.
That is unavoidable no matter what the issue, Thrill. But the likelihood of finding applicability to a SINGLE ancient individual over more than two plus millennia is extremely low. That makes finding it probative.
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Old Yesterday, 10:44 PM
 
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That is unavoidable no matter what the issue, Thrill. But the likelihood of finding applicability to a SINGLE ancient individual over more than two plus millennia is extremely low. That makes finding it probative.
It is extremely high when a good number of prophecies have to be taken out of context to apply the later figure and a good many more have the story of the figure written to comply with the 'prophecy'.
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Old Today, 05:44 AM
 
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It is extremely high when a good number of prophecies have to be taken out of context to apply the later figure and a good many more have the story of the figure written to comply with the 'prophecy'.
The OT said X would happen. The NT said it did happen...and Mystic believes it!
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