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Old Today, 11:27 AM
 
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You left out commie/socialist.
Right? What is it with these "God is everything" folks (yes, I am lumping in Arach, since he is clearly on that side of things) and repeating themselves ad nauseam? Doesn't matter than thread subject, the post they are referring to, nothing... Just the same few sentences, with maybe some words mixed up, over and over again...
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Old Today, 11:32 AM
 
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Right? What is it with these "God is nothing" folks (yes, I am lumping in ImissThe90's, since he is clearly on that side of things) and repeating themselves ad nauseam? Doesn't matter than thread subject, the post they are referring to, nothing... Just the same few sentences, with maybe some words mixed up, over and over again...
Righto!
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Old Today, 11:43 AM
 
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If memory serves, you mentioned that this is your belief "one or two" times before
Is there some reason for doing so yet again?
To make it the topic of a thread so it can be discussed without someone complaining it is off topic and the Mods deleting it.
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Old Today, 11:44 AM
 
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God EXISTING is why everything exists. God LIVING is why everything is created and reproducing. God's existence and living requirements determine everything that happens. But as component parts, we are not privy to the whys, but we can investigate the hows. No need for the Creator/Creation nonsense to distract the discussions and no need for any concern over what powers God does or doesn't have.
But it doesn't avoid the infinite regress trap at all. When and how did God begin to exist?
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Old Today, 11:49 AM
 
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But it doesn't avoid the infinite regress trap at all. When and how did God begin to exist?
That is no more difficult to answer than how did our Reality begin to exist. The favorite answer among your cohort is - "We Don't Know." We just know it does exist.
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Old Today, 11:54 AM
 
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That is no more difficult to answer than how did our Reality begin to exist. The favorite answer among your cohort is - "We Don't Know." We just know it does exist.
How does not knowing avoid the infinite regress trap? It doesn't. There is no answer to this question, whether or not one believes there is a Creator.
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Old Today, 11:54 AM
 
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That is no more difficult to answer than how did our Reality begin to exist. The favorite answer among your cohort is - "We Don't Know." We just know it does exist.
And how is that not the correct answer? What is wrong with saying we dont know? Why should we instead say "it is whatever MysticPhD says"?

T9 accept that there was a God and that he has always existed and neither his existence nor how he came into being without questioning if that is true is not a valuable position to uave.
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Old Today, 11:58 AM
 
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But it doesn't avoid the infinite regress trap at all. When and how did God begin to exist?
it also avoids infinite regress if we just start at our universe.

We are here now and whats the descriptor of our place in the universe? Like non living atoms build up to what we call "alive", Our universe was born from the less complex system before it.

No infinite regress. Not known either, but either way, the infinite regress argument is put to rest very quickly.
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Old Today, 12:01 PM
 
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You left out commie/socialist.
And Liberal -voting atheist Fundie. Though he did get the 'anti -theist' borrowed without credit snipe in there.

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God EXISTING is why everything exists. God LIVING is why everything is created and reproducing. God's existence and living requirements determine everything that happens. But as component parts, we are not privy to the whys, but we can investigate the hows. No need for the Creator/Creation nonsense to distract the discussions and no need for any concern over what powers God does or doesn't have.
I don't know why you even started this thread. The argument has been done to death and at the best for the Theist side, goes nowhere, at worst, the claim of a complex creative intelligence with no origin as opposed to an emergence of 'matter' (which is mainly nothing acting like it is something) out of a nothing with the ability to look like 'something' doesn't favour the theist side at all.

I see no purpose in this thread at all other than seeing whether the mods will close it, thus providing evidence for your persecuted martyr claims.
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Old Today, 12:03 PM
 
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How does not knowing avoid the infinite regress trap? It doesn't. There is no answer to this question, whether or not one believes there is a Creator.
just because the state of existing and living produces creation does NOT require that there be a separate Creator.
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