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Old 05-01-2019, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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Would not attend a church that did this, or



a church that did NOT do this.
Yes to all of this. I cannot imagine a church suing a member for non payment of tithes. But, if someone signs a contract, then I suppose it could. This would be a good way to rapidly lose members.
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Old 05-01-2019, 09:54 AM
 
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Wow, I had no idea you could be held responsible for something you do not use in this supposedly "great" country of States. I mean, couldn't "energy bills" then be the same? I understand that phone bills can legally charge you, but the State also requires them to speedily terminate service if you do not pay. They cannot stack up your debt indefinitely, nor even for the "time term" of the (often 2 years) contracts.
They must turn off your phone service within a month or two, no?

Like I said, however, contracts can be illegal (have illegal terms) and thus be void.

Here is something I found about gym contracts. https://www.thrillist.com/culture/ho...aking-contract
I think it makes complete sense. If the gym has members, the gym must be available for member use. The overhead is the same whether the gym members show up or not. The gym can't tell an employee or the electric company "Oh, as member usage was low, you will not be getting paid." It's a pretty simple concept, really. Have you never had a paid membership to any organization?

Certainly, contracts can have illegal terms and thus be void.
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Old 05-01-2019, 09:57 AM
 
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Yes to all of this. I cannot imagine a church suing a member for non payment of tithes. But, if someone signs a contract, then I suppose it could. This would be a good way to rapidly lose members.
One would hope. But I would think being asked to sign a contract in the first place would be a good way to rapidly lose members.
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Old 05-01-2019, 09:58 AM
 
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Can a church sue you for tithe money?

I can't believe how I'm resisting this
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Old 05-01-2019, 10:22 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Our old church sent out what looked like a bill to us and on it stated we normally gave X amount of dollars. Please submit payment to bring your offering up to normal. We were behind X dollars from normal because my wife lost her job.
The pastor bought a new house in the most expensive part of La Jolla.

I was so angry at this we switched churches right after.
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Old 05-01-2019, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Our old church sent out what looked like a bill to us and on it stated we normally gave X amount of dollars. Please submit payment to bring your offering up to normal. We were behind X dollars from normal because my wife lost her job.
The pastor bought a new house in the most expensive part of La Jolla.

I was so angry at this we switched churches right after.
I find this sort of thing appalling. Even without the expensive house purchase. You give what you WANT to give.

Yes, I get that they need the pledges at the beginning of the year to make a budget, but things happen. Sending out a letter like that is rude and unChristian. At least have the decency to say, "Hey, are you struggling financially? Because if so, we can help you out because we take care of our own."
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Old 05-01-2019, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Federal Way, WA
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Tithing is a scam that uses some loosely threaded scriptures to manipulate people into thinking that they are stealing from god if they don't fork over 10% of their money to the church. Offerings are totally reasonable because it is a true act of giving from the heart, not an obligatory scheme to guilt people into giving 10%
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Old 05-02-2019, 01:11 AM
 
Location: City-Data Forum
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I think it makes complete sense. If the gym has members, the gym must be available for member use. The overhead is the same whether the gym members show up or not. The gym can't tell an employee or the electric company "Oh, as member usage was low, you will not be getting paid." It's a pretty simple concept, really. Have you never had a paid membership to any organization?

Certainly, contracts can have illegal terms and thus be void.
In fact, a gym can EXACTLY tell that to an employee or the electric company!!! What is a gym supposed to be a sacred business upheld above phone companies or electric companies by the State? Then the State should pay for it.

An electric company cannot say "well we charged them for 10 years of likely (expected use or that payment required to maintain the company going) and available electricity use, as per contract, although they didn't use any, because we might fail as a business otherwise."

Yes, I've had paid memberships to many organizations. Most times I did not sign any contracts for membership (payment and use were on a monthly basis), and being a member of my HOA does not require me selling my soul away. If I don't pay, they quickly remove all privileges... they do not keep legally charging me indefinitely because "possible use of the privileges has remained available".

How stupid can lazy people be, honestly? There should be masses and droves of people forcing their government to work for them as citizens, not for exorbitant non-use-still-charge contract-clubs.

I understand that dumb rich people can be duped into such contracts with country clubs and not feel any pain at the loss (since it is not as easy to be aware of as taxes), but how could middle-class people allow themselves to pay for a year's worth of a gym they did not use (after the fact of not using it, not before... I can understand paying in advance for a year and then losing that investment if you don't use it).
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Old 05-02-2019, 01:13 AM
 
Location: City-Data Forum
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One would hope. But I would think being asked to sign a contract in the first place would be a good way to rapidly lose members.
Or (if they are not as concerned about member numbers.... as perhaps they are already rich) it would be a good way to prune away those more willing to question and think, in order to get better control and more work out of the abandoned gullible and naive.
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Old 05-02-2019, 09:17 AM
 
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In fact, a gym can EXACTLY tell that to an employee or the electric company!!! What is a gym supposed to be a sacred business upheld above phone companies or electric companies by the State? Then the State should pay for it.

An electric company cannot say "well we charged them for 10 years of likely (expected use or that payment required to maintain the company going) and available electricity use, as per contract, although they didn't use any, because we might fail as a business otherwise."

Yes, I've had paid memberships to many organizations. Most times I did not sign any contracts for membership (payment and use were on a monthly basis), and being a member of my HOA does not require me selling my soul away. If I don't pay, they quickly remove all privileges... they do not keep legally charging me indefinitely because "possible use of the privileges has remained available".

How stupid can lazy people be, honestly? There should be masses and droves of people forcing their government to work for them as citizens, not for exorbitant non-use-still-charge contract-clubs.

I understand that dumb rich people can be duped into such contracts with country clubs and not feel any pain at the loss (since it is not as easy to be aware of as taxes), but how could middle-class people allow themselves to pay for a year's worth of a gym they did not use (after the fact of not using it, not before... I can understand paying in advance for a year and then losing that investment if you don't use it).
Well, this is a unique perspective.
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