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Old 05-03-2019, 11:12 PM
 
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What fall?...
When satan supposedly convinced 1/3 of the angels to side with him and they tried to overthrow heaven, satan wanted Gods position, he wanted to be worshiped as a God.


Of course, they were thrown out of heaven for this....strangely, they were cast down to earth, among humans (go figure on the logic behind that?!!).


This is referred to as 'the fall', when satan and the other 1/3 fell from their original estate/position.

 
Old 05-04-2019, 12:45 PM
 
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When satan supposedly convinced 1/3 of the angels to side with him and they tried to overthrow heaven, satan wanted Gods position, he wanted to be worshiped as a God.


Of course, they were thrown out of heaven for this....strangely, they were cast down to earth, among humans (go figure on the logic behind that?!!).


This is referred to as 'the fall', when satan and the other 1/3 fell from their original estate/position.
What a perfect heaven, "once perfect always perfect" they always say.

The ultimate Creator(s) and Sustainer(s)/Controler(s) are ultimately responsible and "in control."

Really.
 
Old 05-04-2019, 01:54 PM
 
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sleepers control the world.

people that are awake don't need to control the world. They need dinner ... well, and T.P.
 
Old 05-04-2019, 02:22 PM
 
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sleepers control the world.

people that are awake don't need to control the world. They need dinner ... well, and T.P.
hahaha

But there is a lot of time between sleeping, eating, and excreting.
 
Old 05-04-2019, 09:56 PM
 
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In regards to the OPs question...I think if 'the veil' of reality were pulled aside... we would see some 'very unusual looking entities' pulling the strings.
 
Old 05-05-2019, 12:26 AM
 
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Unfortunately the course of human events continues to largely be directed by the nonsense invented by stupid humans.
How true, so true, with heaven and the earth and God as my witness: "Unfortunately the course of human events continues to largely be directed by the nonsense invented by stupid humans," and their stupid violent religions, and their stupid violent kings, and their stupid violent governments all created by men, which in the end kill off themselves and destroy the earth by their own deeds...Where have I heard that before? Oh, the Bible...

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Old 05-05-2019, 01:08 AM
 
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When satan supposedly convinced 1/3 of the angels to side with him and they tried to overthrow heaven, satan wanted Gods position, he wanted to be worshiped as a God.


Of course, they were thrown out of heaven for this....strangely, they were cast down to earth, among humans (go figure on the logic behind that?!!).


This is referred to as 'the fall', when satan and the other 1/3 fell from their original estate/position.
That is untrue, not even biblical. A teaching based upon "Religions," with no biblical support or understanding. There was only one fall, Adam fell. And their idea of any Satan in heaven with God ever has no biblical support. A false claim. Adam walked with God, Adam fell, and if you look at that word "Lucifer," you will see O Man Lucifer, and your Satan is not in heaven with God, he is with the King and according to the increase of his amount of merchandise is the amount of wickedness increased. Adam and that spirit of evil fell and that is the only fall...in the beginning...and before this In the beginning, before the heaven and the earth existed, Satan fell from what to what? that which did not even exist yet. That religious version make no sense. That Satan D'evil exists in man and roams the earth doing stupid deeds of destruction by the hands and deeds of his own doing. Man is a destroyer of life. Stupid humans.
 
Old 05-05-2019, 10:44 AM
 
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That is untrue, not even biblical. A teaching based upon "Religions," with no biblical support or understanding. There was only one fall, Adam fell. And their idea of any Satan in heaven with God ever has no biblical support. A false claim. Adam walked with God, Adam fell, and if you look at that word "Lucifer," you will see O Man Lucifer, and your Satan is not in heaven with God, he is with the King and according to the increase of his amount of merchandise is the amount of wickedness increased. Adam and that spirit of evil fell and that is the only fall...in the beginning...and before this In the beginning, before the heaven and the earth existed, Satan fell from what to what? that which did not even exist yet. That religious version make no sense. That Satan D'evil exists in man and roams the earth doing stupid deeds of destruction by the hands and deeds of his own doing. Man is a destroyer of life. Stupid humans.
I will admit its hard to discuss this, considering that, in the realm where God, satan reside, there is NO time, so its almost impossible for us to understand that
 
Old 05-05-2019, 10:56 AM
 
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God controls the world......... except when Satan controls the world........ except when man's "free will" controls the world.

It's that simple.
 
Old 05-05-2019, 11:04 AM
 
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I will admit its hard to discuss this, considering that, in the realm where God, satan reside, there is NO time, so its almost impossible for us to understand that
More like literally impossible for such to be true given our best current understanding.
Some sort of space-time is a necessary substance for change, action, and cause and effect.
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