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Old 05-08-2019, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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The point, Mystic, is that they are characteristic of all the kinds of love specified in Koine, and not just the "agape" specified in the citation; they do not define "agape."
Having given more thought to the question, I find I am mistaken: that concern I mention is also a characteristic of the different categories of love, and the basis for definition is the basis for that concern. With erotic love it is sexual attraction that may lead to a commmitment much deeper than the original impulse, with familial love it is the bond of kinship or shared heritage, strongest in those who have shared experience that is supportive. With brotherly love it is much the same, but the relationship is not necessarily one of genetic kinship, but of common interest. With "agape" it is recognition of common humanity. For that reason it is unconditional and fragile in that it is so easy and natural to make those who are different, especially in ways that exclude us or cause any kind of perceived harm. God's love is unconditional according to the last few verses of Matthew 5, and we are urged to be like Him in that. It ain't always easy.
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Old 05-08-2019, 08:12 AM
 
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Still God flooded the earth to end the works of the devil , as the authority of the power of the cross of Christ gave God that power was not available at that early time , so then the greater love is to forgive God for the slaughter of wicked people of the earth
Let me make sure I've got this straight....

God presumably had enough power to create everything (heavens and earth, humans, etc) and set the wheels in motion. He also communicated with His creation on a fairly regular basis, handing down laws, intervening where necessary, and so on. BUT... He didn't have enough power available in those early days to deal with His creation, so He had to resort to cruder methods, like killing off everything and starting over. It wasn't until a few thousand years later that He came up with a plan to allow humans to kill His son, thereby giving Himself an added boost of power, which has equipped Him to be more refined in dealing with the devil ever since.

Did I get that right?
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Old 05-08-2019, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Let me make sure I've got this straight....

God presumably had enough power to create everything (heavens and earth, humans, etc) and set the wheels in motion. He also communicated with His creation on a fairly regular basis, handing down laws, intervening where necessary, and so on. BUT... He didn't have enough power available in those early days to deal with His creation, so He had to resort to cruder methods, like killing off everything and starting over. It wasn't until a few thousand years later that He came up with a plan to allow humans to kill His son, thereby giving Himself an added boost of power, which has equipped Him to be more refined in dealing with the devil ever since.

Did I get that right?
It would make a great movie script.
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Old 05-08-2019, 09:26 AM
 
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Let me make sure I've got this straight....

God presumably had enough power to create everything (heavens and earth, humans, etc) and set the wheels in motion. He also communicated with His creation on a fairly regular basis, handing down laws, intervening where necessary, and so on. BUT... He didn't have enough power available in those early days to deal with His creation, so He had to resort to cruder methods, like killing off everything and starting over. It wasn't until a few thousand years later that He came up with a plan to allow humans to kill His son, thereby giving Himself an added boost of power, which has equipped Him to be more refined in dealing with the devil ever since.

Did I get that right?
You left out....He is all-knowing, yet had no idea that the descendants of his first two humans would be wicked. So He drowned all but eight, and again had no idea that the descendants of those eight would be wicked.
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Old 05-08-2019, 11:44 AM
 
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You left out....He is all-knowing, yet had no idea that the descendants of his first two humans would be wicked. So He drowned all but eight, and again had no idea that the descendants of those eight would be wicked.
Win some, lose some...???
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Old 05-08-2019, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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I think it was Jeff who once told us that it was sort of a pre emptive strike by God because all these toddlers, infants, and unborn would GROW UP to be wicked people because they had wicked parents.
Remember Ryan White, the young boy who was diagnosed with AIDS from a blood transfusion and refused re-admission to his school?

That same mentality caused people of that same mindset to suggest that God gave him AIDS because God knew he would grow up to be gay. (That's when it was still a widely-held belief that AIDS was a punishment on gay people.)
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Old 05-08-2019, 12:36 PM
 
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I think it was Jeff who once told us that it was sort of a pre emptive strike by God because all these toddlers, infants, and unborn would GROW UP to be wicked people because they had wicked parents.
It does not surprise me that Jeff would say such a thing.

This rationale also fails, as so many others do grow up to be wicked adults.
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Old 05-08-2019, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Remember Ryan White, the young boy who was diagnosed with AIDS from a blood transfusion and refused re-admission to his school?

That same mentality caused people of that same mindset to suggest that God gave him AIDS because God knew he would grow up to be gay. (That's when it was still a widely-held belief that AIDS was a punishment on gay people.)
Wow, I didn't know that Ryan got "Pat Robertsoned".
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Old 05-08-2019, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Win some, lose some...???
"Win some?" What a NOVEL concept!
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Old 05-08-2019, 02:35 PM
 
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Even if the definition of God is love doesn't make the definition of love is God.
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