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Old 05-12-2019, 11:17 PM
 
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The FACT is the real and only God came long before any of the false gods you can mention.


Another FACT is that you can' prove anything you mentioned in this post.


Another FACT is God uses figurative language at times. Serpent is a metaphor for Satan



Rev 12:9 - And the great dragon, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan...
The Sumerians were the first known civilization...according to them, we didnt even originate on this planet, so...something tells me, since they were the first, they are probably closer to being right than anyone else.


Just out of curiosity, anyone on here know who the Sumerians worshiped as God(s)?
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Old 05-12-2019, 11:52 PM
 
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Just out of curiosity, anyone on here know who the Sumerians worshiped as God(s)?
Ea - the Father; Bel - the Son and Anu - The Holy Spirit.


Now where have I heard something similar to that before?
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Old Yesterday, 05:00 AM
 
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The FACT is the real and only God came long before any of the false gods you can mention.


Another FACT is that you can' prove anything you mentioned in this post.


Another FACT is God uses figurative language at times. Serpent is a metaphor for Satan



Rev 12:9 - And the great dragon, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan...
It was a snake and not a serpent and it had nothing to do with Satan...Satan is G-dís tester...
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Old Yesterday, 05:06 AM
 
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Here is a list of individuals traditionally said to have been conceived through miraculous birth, virgin birth or impregnation by a god.

Marduk
Buddha
Houji
Laozi
Abaoji
Jesus
Mary mother of Jesus
Horus
Hatshepsut
Amenhotep III:
Perseus
Apollo
Hermes
Dionysus
Persephone
Hercules
Pan
Mithra
Ion
Romulus
Asclepius
Homer
Helen
Oedipus
Alexander
Ptolemy
Caesar
Krishna
Karna
visnu
Muhammad
Kabir
Isaac
Melchizedek
Quetzalcoatl
Huitzilopochtli
Zoroaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miraculous_births

Some of these individuals, Jesus, Hercules, Zoroaster, Homer, Alexander, Mohammad, for example, may well have been actual historically existent people. It's hard to be certain of much confronted with many centuries of myth and legend.
Iíve read about the above...As Iíve stated, the verse in Isaiah was referring to Ahazís wife, not Mary and definitely not a virgin...
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Old Yesterday, 05:09 AM
 
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Do we have that in the Qumran scrolls?

We do

5. (10) [{And continuing YHW}]H spoke to Ahaz saying, (11) Ask for yourself a sign from YHWH your God
26. [{from the deep ask}] it or from the height above. (12) And Ahaz said I will nor ask and I will not
27. [{tempt}] YHWH. (13) And He said, Hear now Oh House of David, is it a small thing for you
28. [{to wear}]y men, will you also weary God, (14) therefore [+YHWH+] [m..adonay] himself will give to you [{a sign}]
29.[{Behold}] the virgin shall conceive and bring forth a son and he shall call his name Immanuel. (15) Butter [{and honey}
].. (The great Isaiah scroll)

So we can take it that This is a consistent reading from Jesus' time and after the Jewish war and up until today. So the argument that Septuagint used 'Parthenos' because , unlike Hebrew, there wasn't in Greek the two specific words to distinguish between 'young woman' and 'Virgin'. Thus, (the argument goes) the later Christians latched onto this reading in Greek..they would never have misread this if they had known Hebrew- and took it as a prophecy of the birth of Jesus -whom they had by then been thinking of as an incarnated God, and this Miraculous birth in the OT seemed to prove it.



But 'Bethulah' does mean 'virgo intacta' doesn't it? So if that was what was meant, though should have been used.
Can you post the Qumran Hebrew here?...
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Old Yesterday, 05:11 AM
 
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The Sumerians were the first known civilization...according to them, we didnt even originate on this planet, so...something tells me, since they were the first, they are probably closer to being right than anyone else.


Just out of curiosity, anyone on here know who the Sumerians worshiped as God(s)?
Do you have any reading material on that?...
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Old Yesterday, 05:32 AM
 
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I’ve read about the above...As I’ve stated, the verse in Isaiah was referring to Ahaz’s wife, not Mary and definitely not a virgin...
And Jesus wasn't called Immanuel.


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It was a snake and not a serpent and it had nothing to do with Satan...Satan is G-d’s tester...
It was a lizard. It had legs...which were removed. Along with the ability to talk, it seems, and to carry out God's plan, it also seems as otherwise God would have made sure it didn't happen.
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Old Yesterday, 05:50 AM
 
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Ea - the Father; Bel - the Son and Anu - The Holy Spirit.


Now where have I heard something similar to that before?
Ancient Egypt perhaps? Osiris, Horus and the Ba? But the Sumerians evolved a religion of sky - gods that existed...just out of reach, as we find with a god that had to retreat to the edge of the universe and even outside it as science looks and doesn't find it. Those Sumerian gods, persisted when Sumer fell to Akkad, Akkad fell to Babylon,which kept the gods but just replaced Ea with Marduk. Babylon fell to Assyria - they just replaced Marduk with Assur, and 2nd Babylonian empire after the fall of Assyria, and the worship of Marduk on his tower of Bab -el Marduk in the continuing city of Babylon (and never mind the OT prophecy that said it was gone) carried on even to Sassanid times.

i think, by the way, that we can forget about 'Sumerians from outer space' and all that post -Daaniken nonsense. Civilisations were beginning to appear in Egypt, China, the Indus valley, Turkey, Malta, and South and Central America. We can see it evolving out of farming which brought a settled community together. And we can even see the evolution of writing, the evolution of tools, the evolution of towns and cities, the evolution of pottery, writing, and of course, kingship, war and religion. There is no reason to see any of this given by Gods, aliens in flying saucers or the god of any one particular religion. Humans were perfectly capable of doing it and the evidence is that humans did do it.

And that sounds believable. Or it should.
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Old Yesterday, 07:20 AM
 
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The FACT is the real and only God came long before any of the false gods you can mention.


Another FACT is that you can' prove anything you mentioned in this post.


Another FACT is God uses figurative language at times. Serpent is a metaphor for Satan



Rev 12:9 - And the great dragon, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan...
None of those things are FACTS, and that's a FACT.
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Old Yesterday, 07:28 AM
 
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And Jesus wasn't called Immanuel.
Nope...He sure wasnít...




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It was a lizard. It had legs...which were removed. Along with the ability to talk, it seems, and to carry out God's plan, it also seems as otherwise God would have made sure it didn't happen.
Lol...Maybe it was a Neanderthal...
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