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One thing you apparently didn't do was seriously consider what so many of us were saying.
This, I would say, is equally as useless in helping him understand why he should care about the dangers of religions above other (self-deluded or not) con-men.
Haha - ‘multiple people’ in this country are Christians; so by your advice, I should be listening to their criticism? Rubbish (and if you stopped to think of the irony in your statement, you’d agree). A confident and intelligent man listens/assesses the situation and knows when to take things with a chuckle or a grain of salt. If it is constructive and/or said by people whose opinion I respect (my girlfriend, my friends, family, colleagues, etc.), then, by all means, I agree - one must take it into consideration and learn. Constant accusations and personal assaults, however, as well as being force-fed I’m a ‘Christian in disguise’ (by a group of people online) is quite another matter entirely. Only a fool would allow that kind of nonsense/‘critiquing’ to matter. It’s the very basis to my argument of ‘atheist’ vs. ‘christian’ - all the critiquing and bickering is, essentially, meaningless (in my opinion). Btw, I know I’m not a theist in disguise so why would I listen, no matter how many said it - lol. Would you?
Just so I understand, when you're doing the critiquing, is that also meaningless?
Seriously? National conservatives are mugging the Constitution (and it’s working) while your idea of ‘fighting’ is implying it doesn’t exist.
I implied what doesn't exist? All I said was that a "Blitz" might work for them, since babies are born ignorant.
Wait, this is about "national conservatives" ? Never heard of them. They used to call themselves neocons and then tea-partiers.
I blame liberals. The liberals act like they didn't study psychology and sociology (in order to manipulate things to their partisan favor) along-side the conservatives. Usually, this is because the leadership are rich conservatives (Blue Dogs, etc) themselves.
1. why must a liberal defend foreigners who end up working with slave wages for rich conservatives?
2. why EVER EVER allow the born-rich to run or win in ANY primaries?
3. why EVER allow unions to not be called "free-market corporations"?
4. why EVER not use the term "PRO-LIFE" yourself if you are liberal? Then legitimize it to mean anti-unwanted pregnancy, anti-unnecessary abortion/miscarriage, anti-death penalty, anti the government neglecting children's futures. Fetus lives matter too, the only issue is when they interfere with the woman's life, if her's matters too. Research on how to transplant fetuses to men should be quickly established, if conservatives really care more about the life of the fetus than about control over the women.
5. ect.
This is still about religion right?
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The intelligent (and hard) arguments belong at the district and state level (against national conservatives who are attempting to mug our Constitution with bible classes in our schools). I don’t consider emotional screeching or proselytizing my disbelief a hard argument - or worth my time. To the contrary, it’s a stupid argument. We simply have different enemies.
You are likely being misdirected. No Christian would want Bible-classes in their public schools, it would destroy utterly their false religion. In fact, Atheists in Russia pushed for Secular Bible classes constantly. Good tactic.
6. Why would Liberals NOT control the Bible classes themselves? Smack conservatives down with how much better they know and understand the Bible and the history of its Bibliolatrous creation.
Yes, there is something 'wrong' and he's working hard at reasons to to listen to people saying it (just take that 'So I should listen to Christians, should I?' non sequitur. Yes, if They see something wrong, too, he should).
It's evident that he is falling into the same trap as prof Stavrakopulou. While being very vocal about the dangers of project Blitz (as she is about the hostility towards an atheist Bible -scholar) he (and she) has a beef with the very people who are doing the fighting.
She because the Bible is her study, Arach because he hates socialism. Gldnrule because he's an asshat. CC because....I suspect a residual liking for Christianity. I's guess it's like Ozzy and Julian and their attitude towards us - except they are still believers. Though as I said i have hopes of Julian.
It’s funny when you resort to drivel and gossip as a way to make a nonexistent point.
You are likely being misdirected. No Christian would want Bible-classes in their public schools, it would destroy utterly their false religion. In fact, Atheists in Russia pushed for Secular Bible classes constantly. Good tactic.
6. Why would Liberals NOT control the Bible classes themselves? Smack conservatives down with how much better they know and understand the Bible and the history of its Bibliolatrous creation.
There were 76 bills introduced last year (hence, ‘blitz’) in 26 states (relating to bible classes and displaying ‘in god we trust’ in our schools, etc). Nine of them passed. You want to discuss the dangers of religion where it counts? This is it. Wake up and smell the coffee. This is an assault on our Constitution (and a way to impose their religious beliefs/discriminate) - and you want to argue about atheists in Russia or being ‘misdirected’? Seriously? I don’t even know why I’m trying to have a discussion in this forum - lol.
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There were 76 bills introduced last year (hence, ‘blitz’) in 26 states (relating to bible classes and displaying ‘in god we trust’ in our schools, etc). Nine of them passed. You want to discuss the dangers of religion where it counts? This is it. Wake up and smell the coffee. This is an assault on our Constitution (and a way to impose their religious beliefs/discriminate) - and you want to argue about atheists in Russia or being ‘misdirected’? Seriously? I don’t even know why I’m trying to have a discussion in this forum - lol.
You might have a concussion from that fall there cowboy. You seem to be gravely misreading a lot of what I'm writing. And here I was previously defending you against your accusers as I had no knowledge of such an M.O.
I said YOU were misdirected with this American conservative version of "Gott Mitt Uns" stamps, and their pathetic "bible electives". They will only serve as their demise, even if they try to protect their Ivory Towers with the fact that it's an "elective" it will be too easy to see through for smart children, and they will help the dumb ones.
76 bills, 26 States, 9 of them passed. That means 67/76 failed, ~17/26 States rejected it. Rejoice and keep pushing.
I wish more had passed, people might then wake up to the growing infiltration. The populace needs to be made aware of the Bibliolatrous danger of the false religions around them. Reading the Letter that Kills the Spirit (whichever version of Bibliolatry they choose, but with no fear of murder for beliefs and nonharmful actions) is a good way to further destroy the cancer of ignorance which is Abrahamism.
"separation of church and State" should be torn down if not made equal to how grossly atheism is separated from State.
Right now, the Federal and States grants Special Privilege of tax-breaks to churches but not atheist clubs (which must show documentation and apply for non-profit status, both things religions are secluded in the shadows against).
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I'm reminded of a story I heard about a guy named Chip.
He was on a basketball team. He was a devout Christian, and the star of the team was a devout unbeliever. They played the season together. At the end, the star came to Chip and told him something. It went kinda like this.
"Look Chip, I disagree with every single thing you believe about your god and your faith. I'll never be like you and I don't want to be. But, I will say this. You are the most "real" man on this team. Unlike most so called Christians I know, you don't just talk, you also walk. Plus...one thing you've never done...ever....you've never shown me disrespect even though I may have disrespected you here and there...So, when it's all said and done...I give you my respect."
When I die I so hope...SO hope...it is said of me that I was real in my faith and that showed respect to all.
In closing, I have to mention this---there are two sides to every story.
I've been shown basic respect by several folks here. And, that is greatly appreciated. One person in particular?
Transponder. From day one, he's disagreed with me, on the aspect of God, pretty much 100%. But, it's always been done with "class" so to speak. Why, he's even lightly defended me in a post or two I've read.
That...I can respect in turn. And, that's a person I'll listen to in the effort to understand just what it is they're saying.
Most atheists I know feel towards devout Christians (or any devout religious person) just about the same as they would feel if they encountered an adult who still fervently believed in Santa Claus. Which is to say, a feeling of bemused pity.
Which is not to say that atheists do not "respect" and support an individual's right to believe as they choose.
I have met numerous Christians over the years that have charged me, as a long time atheist, with plotting to somehow forbid the religious from practicing their beliefs. This notion is apparently derived from the fact that communists in the Soviet Union and China once outlawed and and attempted to suppress religion.
Atheism and communism are two entirely separate concepts. Most atheists I know (and there MAY be fringe exceptions) fully support your right to believe as you choose. By in large atheists seek to educate the religious by illuminating the nonsense portions of their religious claims, and explaining in detail just why those claims are bogus nonsense. Change occurs through discussion and debate, not by force. And we fully understand just how difficult overcoming a lifetime of religious indoctrination can be. Not to mention the social pressure exerted by family and friends to maintain the faith they were all born into.
Certainly there is no unified movement that I am familiar with among atheists to suppress religion through legislation or by force.
Do I, as an atheist, respect maintaining a childlike system of nonsensical ancient superstitious beliefs? No, not really. But I do respect your right to believe them. I even respect your right to evangelize, and to publicly express your beliefs if you choose. Just as you should respect the rights of those who DO NOT believe as you do to stand up and explain in detail just why your beliefs and your claims are so much foolish nonsense. The somewhat unprecedented level of push back the religious are currently experiencing from non believers is, I suspect, what you and other religious people consider disrespect for your beliefs.
What you are actually experiencing is the unprecedented growth of non belief in western society. It is a rising tide which is only going to get stronger.
I wish more had passed, people might then wake up to the growing infiltration.
This is where you completely lost my attention. It’s an attempt by the Christian Right to discriminate in the name of religion (and impose/teach their beliefs as it relates to schools, adoption and even sexuality). It’s a direct assault on our Constitution - that’s the luminous truth.
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