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Old 05-19-2019, 11:42 AM
 
Location: USA
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Basically what you are saying is - we all have the ‘right’ to disagree. Yes, I agree - lol.
In the U.S. we all have a right to disagree, yes. However many people consider disagreeing with their beliefs to be blasphemy. And it has often been made illegal by the majority. Several states had blasphemy laws on their books into the 20th century. Numerous countries still have blasphemy laws. Blasphemy against Islam is considered a capital offence in many Islamic countries.
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Old 05-19-2019, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Unfortunately, it's difficult to discuss Project Blitz here since the proponents of it are using political means to achieve their goals and politics isn't welcome here.
If one does dare to venture into the P&C forum, certain subjects reveal quite a sizable number that reveal themselves to be atheist but do not frequent these forums.
For those familiar ( like CC) it may be worthwhile to introduce the movement there for the politically active who may not even be aware of it
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Old 05-19-2019, 01:01 PM
 
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In the U.S. we all have a right to disagree, yes. However many people consider disagreeing with their beliefs to be blasphemy. And it has often been made illegal by the majority. Several states had blasphemy laws on their books into the 20th century. Numerous countries still have blasphemy laws. Blasphemy against Islam is considered a capital offence in many Islamic countries.
yes, anti-religious fundy and religious fundy are both guilty of forcing irrational views on the rest of us.

the question is why do we let them?
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Old 05-19-2019, 01:10 PM
 
Location: USA
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yes, anti-religious fundy and religious fundy are both guilty of forcing irrational views on the rest of us.

the question is why do we let them?
We only let them if we fail to address their claims on a point by point basis.
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Old 05-19-2019, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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yes, anti-religious fundy and religious fundy are both guilty of forcing irrational views on the rest of us.

the question is why do we let them?
Nobody is forcing you to believe anything.
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Old 05-19-2019, 01:25 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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yes, anti-religious fundy and religious fundy are both guilty of forcing irrational views on the rest of us.

the question is why do we let them?
I agree both sides are guilty - much of it is for show, though. At the end of the day, no one can ‘force’ anything on anyone in a forum.
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Old 05-19-2019, 01:30 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Unfortunately, it's difficult to discuss Project Blitz here since the proponents of it are using political means to achieve their goals and politics isn't welcome here.
If one does dare to venture into the P&C forum, certain subjects reveal quite a sizable number that reveal themselves to be atheist but do not frequent these forums.
For those familiar ( like CC) it may be worthwhile to introduce the movement there for the politically active who may not even be aware of it
I will need to do this - it’s important people know how our Constitution is being mugged. Thanks.
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Old 05-19-2019, 04:27 PM
 
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Atheism rejects all god -claims equally. The fact is that in the west it is Christianity which is the religion we have to deal with. It flags up that not believing any god -claim or religion is only the basic rationale of atheism. The practical question is - what as atheists do we do about the authority and influence that religion - and of course - One religion in particular - has?

We seem to be on the same page here, Your line seems to be that the subversive effort of Christian fundamentalism to control and suborn the US politics and society at state level at least is best handled through law. I agree, but I also think it's a tricky business to rely on the law (and constitution) when the Religious Right are only too eager to rewrite law and constitution to say whatever they want. I feel that what is needed is a huge public opinion that they won't allow that to happen. And that can only be done by persuading people - the irreligious, non religious and anti religious as well as religious liberals that this is not in our interests.

They are all on the same side, or ought to be. That means you and me (or us) also.
your sect of atheism deny everything equally. I would say you deny everything just because you thats what your dogma tells you to do.

not all atheist are members the deny everything fundamental sect of atheist. That sect of atheism is far too religious looking for most of us.
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Old 05-21-2019, 02:58 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Now, I have a question if I may?

Why do SOME of the nonbelievers here act in a similar manner at times? I'm really interested if you'll care to share. I mean, I understand the difference in beliefs, the difference in opinions, etc...but, why the hostility? The mocking? The disrespect?
Why not? I have no problem mocking wilful ignorance and superstition. If we had someone here that was insisting that the Earth was flat, I'd wager you'd be standing alongside me mocking that belief. As for 'respect'. Why do you think beliefs should be respected?

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Why don't you share with us what fighting you are doing.
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I spent weeks/months answering to your (and others) interrogations and accusations that I was some sort of ‘undercover Christian spy’ and other such nonsense (and it is STILL happening as evidenced by your current accusation/insult lol) all in the hope I’d either find an intelligent discussion/debate or at the least, garner some support for the cause against PB. I had some success with the latter; but surprisingly, only with several agnostics (NO atheists) who messaged me and asked how they can get involved with AU (or the role I play) and wanted to know more. Even now, you ask in an antagonizing, spiteful way underneath the direct accusation I’m ‘appeasing christians’ (and then can’t give a direct response as to how I’m supposedly doing this). Why don’t you answer one of my questions for a change? Or better yet, go back to ignoring me.
So what was it you were doing to fight PB? Did I miss your answer?
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Old 05-21-2019, 10:07 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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So what was it you were doing to fight PB? Did I miss your answer?
I’m personally involved through a professional organization/committee for Civil Rights. Anyone can get involved with AU, however. Before a bill becomes State Law, it passes through several steps and during committee consideration (early on), there is a public hearing. This is where public participation is needed (and where mocking and anti-theism would be completely ineffective, even harmful).

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