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Old 05-27-2019, 07:31 AM
 
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What are you looking for? I believe God exists outside of time (has always existed).
why base your traits of god on what is not known? You don't know if god is outside of time?

why not keep the traits of what you believe based on observations that science is finding out every day?Science is proving trans' sect of atheism dead wrong. In fact, trans is debunked as just am iron curtain anti-religious person on a rampage.

The best we can do in understanding something we don't understand is list the observations we have and link our statements of belief to those observations.

we are surrounded by life and connected to it at the fundamental levels of space time. Thats the best base line we have as a starting point.

both "thebiblegod" and "anti-religious" are far less valid base line observations. I call them **** poor axioms.
any lines of logic starting with those two "facts" end up hurting far more people than they are worth. Kind-a like having clowns as the base line for clothing.
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Old 05-27-2019, 08:01 AM
 
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why base your traits of god on what is not known? You don't know if god is outside of time?

why not keep the traits of what you believe based on observations that science is finding out every day?Science is proving trans' sect of atheism dead wrong. In fact, trans is debunked as just am iron curtain anti-religious person on a rampage.

The best we can do in understanding something we don't understand is list the observations we have and link our statements of belief to those observations.

we are surrounded by life and connected to it at the fundamental levels of space time. Thats the best base line we have as a starting point.

both "thebiblegod" and "anti-religious" are far less valid base line observations. I call them **** poor axioms.
any lines of logic starting with those two "facts" end up hurting far more people than they are worth. Kind-a like having clowns as the base line for clothing.
We depend upon revealed knowledge. The Bible told us that the earth was suspended in space as a globe.

The "science-faith" people in the ancient world believed that the earth was flat, because they were going on their limited observation. They didn't trust revealed knowledge because the people who believed in it were of such lowly stature in the eyes of the world. As if God wouldn't be able to speak to someone with a lower IQ.
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Old 05-27-2019, 08:02 AM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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why base your traits of god on what is not known? You don't know if god is outside of time?

why not keep the traits of what you believe based on observations that science is finding out every day?Science is proving trans' sect of atheism dead wrong. In fact, trans is debunked as just am iron curtain anti-religious person on a rampage.

The best we can do in understanding something we don't understand is list the observations we have and link our statements of belief to those observations.

we are surrounded by life and connected to it at the fundamental levels of space time. Thats the best base line we have as a starting point.

both "thebiblegod" and "anti-religious" are far less valid base line observations. I call them **** poor axioms.
any lines of logic starting with those two "facts" end up hurting far more people than they are worth. Kind-a like having clowns as the base line for clothing.
How does science conflict with the idea that God exists outside time as we know it?
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Old 05-27-2019, 08:03 AM
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No. I call SOME religious people "unthinking". I just told you about being with a group of christians who debated the topic...and most of them showed thinking skills.
You call ME unthinking. There was no need for that.
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Old 05-27-2019, 08:05 AM
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1. What you believe.
2. That it's impossible to conceive of what happened.
3. That it occurred during the Big Bang.

And don't confuse blunt talk with personal attack. That tactic is tired.
So, some Christians believe God came into being at the Big Bang? How? From another, higher source?
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Old 05-27-2019, 08:06 AM
 
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You call ME unthinking. There was no need for that.
You know the atheist definition of "thinking" is someone who agrees with their opinions. Consider the source when you hear statements like that.
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Old 05-27-2019, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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This would be my advice on answering this question...

Well, rather than being on the outside looking in...meaning using the intellect to figure this question out...
go to the source....go inside...know God...know His Nature, His Mind...
understand Him yourselves and it will all become clear. Forget books.
Have a direct experience of God or whatever you'd like to call the Creator, personally.
Bingo.
Be still.
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Old 05-27-2019, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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We depend upon revealed knowledge. The Bible told us that the earth was suspended in space as a globe.
No it doesn't. Produce the chapter and verse.

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The "science-faith" people in the ancient world believed that the earth was flat, because they were going on their limited observation.
Balderdash! The Greeks mentioned a spherical Earth in the 6th century BCE. In the 3rd century BCE, Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the Earth. It was the Church that kept insisting that it was flat.
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Old 05-27-2019, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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So, some Christians believe God came into being at the Big Bang? How? From another, higher source?
Ask them.
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Old 05-27-2019, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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You call ME unthinking. There was no need for that.
No Jimmy, that's an "untruth". Here is the post you're talking about:

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Is that a requirement?

For the unthinking, no. For the thinking man who wants to understand his relationship with god...if there is such a being, yes -- how god came to be remains an unanswered question. Unanswered like many magical aspects of christianity."

Apparently you put yourself within my definition of unthinking.
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