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Old 06-01-2019, 10:50 AM
 
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It's not just Billy Graham but evangelical Christianity in general. Before the Civil Rights era the churches were more mainline. You can't separate the two from each other.

It was also the gospel church influence spreading to white churches. How many white liberals would ever set foot in a black church? Rock and roll has always had gospel influence. Elvis Presley. Little Richard. After that it just spreads out even larger.
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Old 06-01-2019, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Positive Christianity incorporates existing science as I do or it is negative Christianity that violates what we know to be true about our Reality.
Fine, but that's not what the thread is about.
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Old 06-01-2019, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Signs are cheap.

I used to belong to an urban congregation where the pastor had said, "Nobody in this congregation need ever worry about having food to eat, clothes to wear, or a place to sleep--and everyone is free to join."

That same pastor provided confidential safe houses for abused wives, where the "Security Ministry" would go in while the husband was away, move the woman and children to the safe house, and a team of men including member police, counselors, and more burly Security Ministry men would wait for the husband to return.

"Who are you? Where is my wife?"
"Our dear sister is safe. She will remain safe. But we are going to talk, because we won't tolerate what you're doing to her."
Very commendable and a fine example of 'doing' not just 'talking'
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Old 06-01-2019, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Somewhere Out West
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Clackamas Oregon is hardly the heart of the Bible Belt. It might as well be a branch of San Francisco's Church of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence as far as bible belters are concerned.
When I was in WeHo and Orange County, our church did events with the Sisters. They are an incredible charitable organisation and raise thousands of dollars every year for different groups. To top it off they are an absolute blast.

Now I have to find the pics of me leading a prayer with a sister and another being flanked by several after a community event.
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Old 06-01-2019, 01:41 PM
 
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Signs may be cheap. But messages can change perspectives. All the great leaders (and the not so great) know that. MLK knew it -- "I have a dream" was a message that changed things immensely.
It wasn't by his pulpit message that MLK changed things in the US. Lots of people made speeches. His speech about his dream was meaningful because of actions on the street to make his dream a reality.

It was his actions that made the difference.
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Old 06-01-2019, 01:45 PM
 
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Most people will never acknowledge Billy Graham's role in the Civil Rights movement and his inspiration for MLK. They would rather choose to believe the secular fairy tale.
Or Charleton Heston's!
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Old 06-01-2019, 01:48 PM
 
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It's not just Billy Graham but evangelical Christianity in general. Before the Civil Rights era the churches were more mainline. You can't separate the two from each other.

It was also the gospel church influence spreading to white churches. How many white liberals would ever set foot in a black church? Rock and roll has always had gospel influence. Elvis Presley. Little Richard. After that it just spreads out even larger.
In the south, the white congregations and the black congregations were pretty much the opposing staging grounds for their confrontations in the streets. The Southern Baptist Convention was created for the explicit purpose of keeping black people subjugated.
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Old 06-01-2019, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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It wasn't by his pulpit message that MLK changed things in the US. Lots of people made speeches. His speech about his dream was meaningful because of actions on the street to make his dream a reality.

It was his actions that made the difference.
Why are you arguing with me?
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Old 06-01-2019, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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Fine, but that's not what the thread is about.
I saw the correlation.
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Old 06-01-2019, 03:54 PM
 
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I saw the correlation.
Thanks, Miss H.
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