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Old 06-07-2019, 03:54 AM
 
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Nailed it.
says stalin to mao
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Old 06-07-2019, 04:54 AM
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Location: Germany
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in exactly the same manor that you behave you do not exist to a cell in your body.

what you would do, if you have clue about science, is say that that god behaves in a manor that shows they have the traits wrong.
It is against C-D rules to post in a foreign language.

Can you please repeat in English if you have something relevant to say.
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Old 06-07-2019, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Divided Tribes of America
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The Christian religion/dogma bears the full blame for all the harm that resulted from this damnable teaching.


The Christian religion has operated on fear for its entire 2000 year history. Eternal damnation in fire was picked up by Tertullian, Augustine and several others from the pagan Greeks in roughly 200 CE and incorporated into the Christian dogma right away. Why? Because fear works wonderfully. There's no better way to coerce someone into a religion than by making them fearful of some extraordinary harm that will befall them if they don't believe what you are telling them to believe. Christianity could not have grown as it did without the doctrine of hell. Even today, talk to a fundamentalist. Tell them you reject Jesus. Immediately, "I wouldn't reject Jesus. Your soul's eternal destiny depends on you accepting him or not. Reject Jesus and you will spend eternity in the fires of hell suffering pain and torment beyond imagination!"
Yes. Hell is the main motivation for fundamentalist Christian belief. It works by what might be called a Jedi mind trick: “if you don’t believe in Hell, you will go to Hell!” Logically, it’s absurd...but it works! It’s especially effective on young children, who do not yet have the capacity for critical thinking.

Once one has been infected with Hellthreat as a child, it can be very hard to get it out of the mind. Hell is a kind of “ultimate danger” that can’t be proven false, so it’s hard for the brain to let go of it. For me, it took actual cognitive-behavioral therapy to get it out of my thinking.

That’s the truly awesome thing about psychological abuse, from the perspective of the abuser. The scars from psychological abuse are not visible, so there is nothing for the authorities to trace. And as long as psychological abuse is integrated with religion, it is totally legal. Not only legal, but constitutionally protected! The icing on the cake: the wider society will blame the victim. Humans naturally side with the bully (the Strong Horse, as Osama Bin Laden put it), not the victim.
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Old 06-07-2019, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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thrill, I actually do applaud your efforts to wake Christians up to some beliefs that need to be looked at more deeply.
I suppose you are correct, some do believe God hates non-Christians....and some do think they are superior or more loved.

And yes, it is very hard to get the fear-based things we were taught as children* out of our psyche...it can be done tho.


* I consider this child abuse
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Old 06-07-2019, 10:00 AM
 
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Yes. Hell is the main motivation for fundamentalist Christian belief. It works by what might be called a Jedi mind trick: “if you don’t believe in Hell, you will go to Hell!” Logically, it’s absurd...but it works! It’s especially effective on young children, who do not yet have the capacity for critical thinking.

Once one has been infected with Hellthreat as a child, it can be very hard to get it out of the mind. Hell is a kind of “ultimate danger” that can’t be proven false, so it’s hard for the brain to let go of it. For me, it took actual cognitive-behavioral therapy to get it out of my thinking.

That’s the truly awesome thing about psychological abuse, from the perspective of the abuser. The scars from psychological abuse are not visible, so there is nothing for the authorities to trace. And as long as psychological abuse is integrated with religion, it is totally legal. Not only legal, but constitutionally protected! The icing on the cake: the wider society will blame the victim. Humans naturally side with the bully (the Strong Horse, as Osama Bin Laden put it), not the victim.
The documentary 'Jesus Camp' is a good example of this psychological abuse you often reference in your posts. You can clearly see the angst, fear, and guilt on the children's faces. It is terrible and difficult to watch.

I think of people who believe in the Bible word for word as akin to someone who would ONLY accept the first edition of a book. For example, it would be like people who refuse to accept the later editions and revisions of, say, Dr. Spock's first work. At one point, he espoused vegetarian-only diets for children and then later that changed. Yes, there is some good info in the first edition, but also misinformation in which the passage of time (growth, expansion, and evolution of what we know to be accurate and true) reveals.

To deny the misinformation in one's cherished book is to be intellectually weak or lazy and/or too stubborn and proud to do so. We know the Earth was not created in seven days and that evolution is true. Frankly, fundamentalists are clinging to first edition ideas and beliefs of toothless individuals who were riding around on donkeys, camels and living in tents and primitive dwellings. There is some timeless, universal spiritual truth in the first edition in my perception (ie concepts of love, faith, and forgiveness), but also a good bit of man-written nonsense as well and the task at hand is to sort through it and acknowledge this. The more progressive churches whose members as a whole tend to have a balance between 'heart' and intellect (would be interesting to compare education levels amongst the various sects/denominations) have long been showing them the way.

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Old 06-07-2019, 11:14 AM
 
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Yes. Hell is the main motivation for fundamentalist Christian belief. It works by what might be called a Jedi mind trick: ďif you donít believe in Hell, you will go to Hell!Ē Logically, itís absurd...but it works! Itís especially effective on young children, who do not yet have the capacity for critical thinking.

Once one has been infected with Hellthreat as a child, it can be very hard to get it out of the mind. Hell is a kind of ďultimate dangerĒ that canít be proven false, so itís hard for the brain to let go of it. For me, it took actual cognitive-behavioral therapy to get it out of my thinking.

Thatís the truly awesome thing about psychological abuse, from the perspective of the abuser. The scars from psychological abuse are not visible, so there is nothing for the authorities to trace. And as long as psychological abuse is integrated with religion, it is totally legal. Not only legal, but constitutionally protected! The icing on the cake: the wider society will blame the victim. Humans naturally side with the bully (the Strong Horse, as Osama Bin Laden put it), not the victim.

The moment a Jesus freak is caught saying to a minor "Reject Jesus and you will go to hell and burn in fire for eternity" they should be arrested and put on trial for child abuse. This is no different than verbally abusing a child by calling them stupid and ugly. This kind of "eternal torture threat should be exempt from the freedom of religious speech amendment and one or two Jesus freaks should be put on trial and convicted to be made an example of what will happen to other Jesus freaks who choose to employ this form of abuse. The IRS use this strategy with tax dodgers--put on or two on trial and put the fear of God into everyone watching not to mess with the IRS. They should do the same for nutty religion representatives that employ fear tactics on children.
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Old 06-07-2019, 06:11 PM
 
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It is against C-D rules to post in a foreign language.

Can you please repeat in English if you have something relevant to say.
in exactly the same manor that you behave you do not exist to a cell in your body.

what you would do, if you have clue about science, is say that that god behaves in a manor that shows they have the traits wrong.

"behave" should be "believe"

in exactly the same manor that you believe you do not exist to a cell in your body.
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Old 06-07-2019, 09:57 PM
 
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To deny the misinformation in one's cherished book is to be intellectually weak or lazy and/or too stubborn and proud to do so. We know the Earth was not created in seven days and that evolution is true. Frankly, fundamentalists are clinging to first edition ideas and beliefs of toothless individuals who were riding around on donkeys, camels and living in tents and primitive dwellings. There is some timeless, universal spiritual truth in the first edition in my perception (ie concepts of love, faith, and forgiveness), but also a good bit of man-written nonsense as well and the task at hand is to sort through it and acknowledge this. The more progressive churches whose members as a whole tend to have a balance between 'heart' and intellect (would be interesting to compare education levels amongst the various sects/denominations) have long been showing them the way.
Study after study shows a direct correlation between intelligence and non-religiosity. The more intelligent you are the less like you are to be religious. Plainly speaking, persons of low IQ are more susceptible to religious gullibility than persons with high IQ who are more discerning, analytical, and skeptical of religious claims.

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Scientists ran a meta-analysis of 63 studies and found that religious people tend to be less intelligent than nonreligious people.
https://www.livescience.com/59361-wh...telligent.html
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Old 06-07-2019, 11:53 PM
 
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Study after study shows a direct correlation between intelligence and non-religiosity. The more intelligent you are the less like you are to be religious. Plainly speaking, persons of low IQ are more susceptible to religious gullibility than persons with high IQ who are more discerning, analytical, and skeptical of religious claims.

https://www.livescience.com/59361-wh...telligent.html
The study is probably negated a bit if you spend most of your time on religious matters such as religious forums telling others how smart you are or whining about society/communities/how your parents reared you etc. to strangers.
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Old 06-08-2019, 02:26 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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The study is probably negated a bit if you spend most of your time on religious matters such as religious forums telling others how smart you are....
Oh! Like Mystic does!
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