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A lot of nonsensical emotionally based subjective subjectivity there.
All you had to do was point out the glaring fact that Jesus never mentions Yahweh.
Jesus does occasionally mention "the Father" but Jesus never once equates "the Father" to Yahweh so for all we know, "the Father" could be Marduk.
The occurrences are also suspect.
With two exceptions, mention of "the Father" only occurs in John. There are two references in Matthew (11:27 and 26:39).
John's gospel is suspect. It heavily conflicts with Matthew, Mark and Luke. There are more than 100 contradictions.
John contradicts Matthew, Mark and Luke by claiming the crucifixion took place on Wednesday.
So, either John is a liar, or Matthew, Mark and Luke are liars.
Take your pick.
Regarding Matthew 26:39, it is absent in all early texts.
When verse 26:39 first appears around the 6th Century, it is actually a copy of Luke 22:43-44 And an angel from heaven appeared and to him strengthening Him. And becoming in anguish, he prayed more earnestly and his sweat was as drops of blood falling down onto the ground.
It was around the 10th or 11th Century that 26:39 was changed to And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.
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... and most Christians have not even read the texts that some atheists spend their lives arguing about.
Then double-dumb-ass on them for being so ignorant.
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He doesn't even need the book when he has a relationship with his creator.
And that relationship ends just as soon he becomes an amputee, because Jesus refuses to answer his prayers.
I can't believe that they don't seem to know the difference
between abuse and appropriate correction
I wasn't, in this life, as a blue eyed adorable, innocent, sweet
little blond girl, (so says my older sis), 'appropriately corrected'...I was abused....oh my.
It was really something.
And my sister was not...it was a soul thing between my dad and me.
He was a wonderful man to everyone else.
While I won't argue with you about the God you know as your Father, yet I
wonder if you agree that all things are possible with God.
I do agree and know
that all things are possible with God. He is All That Is...
( I didn't get that from a book, either...
He showed me for 5 hours in Oct 2005..Sunday, 10:35 am...there isn't a dust particle or a thought
that doesn't exist if not for Him...He is e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g...He is red,
He is the note C#...He is every vibration and every receptor
of all the vibrations and frequencies all at the same time.)
Now, do I think that God, then or now, would murder. No.
Do I really think that God was rageful in his need for our allegiance that He actually
killed most everyone? No.
Do I think He was having a childish tantrum looking at what He had created? No
Do I think He cares one hoot what we do with our 'private parts'? No.
Do I really need to get answers from you all here. No.
I don't even believe the stories in the Old Testament...all colored by
the perspectives of primitive ideas and superstitions...most centered on blame and, of course, fear.
So, nice meeting you, deadwood.
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It's pretty inescapable - the Vic. argument: No matter how senseless, wrong and appalling it is, it is all Good in the end because God knows what he is doing.
That's what you have to believe or decide that you can't.
no matter how senseless and wrong? that what you focus on "How trans wants it to be."
how can these things happen and there be a god?
try approaching it from that angle.
oh wait, your sect of atheism won't do that. you know if you do, your base claims becomes less valid. almost as valid as vic's.
You and I agree about so much, but this continues to be the point where we part ways (temporarily ). No way do I believe it is God's plan to have us abused as children for us to "learn a lesson". No. way. And I never will. I can understand you (subconsciously perhaps?) seeking to find a way to make sense of something that made no sense and was hurtful on so many levels, but honestly MissH, I hope you someday find a different way of doing so.
Personally, I don't think we're here to "learn lessons" (or make up for past lives) on an individual basis. I think it's a collective growth process and that we're all happy and excited to take part in that process, even with the knowledge that many of our experiences may be less than enjoyable in the moment. We all tend to forget who we are and where we come from and we lose awareness of our connection to our Source ... that's where all the crappy stuff comes from.
this is how people like me do it. pel.
Child abuse is senseless. thats a fact.
so we say to ourselves ... we see child abuse. So what set of traits of this god would allow such heart breaking observations?
he is doing it intentionally?
he has no choice?
he has some grand plan that he knows and we don't?
of the three, one looks clearly wrong? for anything that we attributed all love to?
it has no choice? could it love us and still have no choice in allowing it?
grand plan? is there any set of circumstances that would allow it to choose child abuse as a means to an end? I think number two comes into play, but we can justify it without it.
thats how we link your first paragraph to your second paragraph.
I sometimes feel that we have entered an unrecoverable dive....
Aw, honey...come'ere, lemme give you a hug. xo We're gonna be fine.
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I do agree and know
