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Old 06-19-2019, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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How could He be?
And so many will say the same thing, You don't understand. And shake their heads to themselves.

Well, I understand murder and savagery....I understand that like a friend said so well, (but I never put
it into these words...but now I will),
Blind faith, blind acceptance is from 'something', I will call the 'devil'.
I have skirted this before, but now I will join my friend and say...that even saying, 'God works in
mysterious ways', is also 'of the devil'.
(I have said often here, 'God is actually not mysterious at all'.)

The masses have been duped!
What a perfect trick. Sly as all get out.
Make people believe God is an angry, brutal murderer and accept it blindly, making up 'rational' excuses.
Make them believe it's all because God works in mysterious ways....then perform blood sacrifices
for Him...
thinking you're doing some 'good and holy thing'...when it's baloney.
(Not that in some books of the OT there is not wisdom....but the murderous, angry God
is not my Father that I know.)

Then, Jesus comes along to change everything...set us straight...'God is Love'...and all that that means.
No wonder atheists see Christianity as a blood cult.

And now I will be like an enemy to those that hold fast to the angry God, that could actually cast someone into an everlasting fire....Good Lord...I can hear it now a'comin'.
All because I see God as Love. And why do I?
Because of direct personal experience by His Grace....
not from stories in many books compiled based on fear and superstitions.

Talk amongst yourselves.
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn View Post
How could He be?
And so many will say the same thing, You don't understand. And shake their heads to themselves.

Well, I understand murder and savagery....I understand that like a friend said so well, (but I never put
it into these words...but now I will),
Blind faith, blind acceptance is from 'something', I will call the 'devil'.
I have skirted this before, but now I will join my friend and say...that even saying, 'God works in
mysterious ways', is also 'of the devil'.
(I have said often here, 'God is actually not mysterious at all'.)

The masses have been duped!
What a perfect trick. Sly as all get out.
Make people believe God is an angry, brutal murderer and accept it blindly, making up 'rational' excuses.
Make them believe it's all because God works in mysterious ways....then perform blood sacrifices
for Him...
thinking you're doing some 'good and holy thing'...when it's baloney.
(Not that in some books of the OT there is not wisdom....but the murderous, angry God
is not my Father that I know.)

Then, Jesus comes along to change everything...set us straight...'God is Love'...and all that that means.
No wonder atheists see Christianity as a blood cult.

And now I will be like an enemy to those that hold fast to the angry God, that could actually cast someone into an everlasting fire....Good Lord...I can hear it now a'comin'.
All because I see God as Love. And why do I?
Because of direct personal experience by His Grace....
not from stories in many books compiled based on fear and superstitions.

Talk amongst yourselves.
LOL.

Well, I'll tell you where I think christians get it all wrong.

1. They should stop trying to prove the bible. Forget it. Impossible. Even if there are tidbits here and there that are accurate, most isn't, and can't be proven even if it is. And, it's irrelevant whether the bible is "true" or not. That's where the faith aspect comes in.

2. Then they should relegate the Old Testament to the scholars. As you said, the "angry God, that could actually cast someone into an everlasting fire....Good Lord...I can hear it now a'comin'".

3. Next, they should start with the New Testament and make a list of the PRINCIPLES in the New Testament, discuss each principle thoroughly, and decide -- individually -- whether they can incorporate each principle into their lives. Is it a valid principle, or one that really doesn't pan out.

If they would do that, then I'd have some respect for them.
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Old 06-19-2019, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I'd buy that phetaroi. Unfortunately I can't "rep" you at the moment.
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:13 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn View Post
How could He be?
And so many will say the same thing, You don't understand. And shake their heads to themselves.

Well, I understand murder and savagery....I understand that like a friend said so well, (but I never put
it into these words...but now I will),
Blind faith, blind acceptance is from 'something', I will call the 'devil'.
I have skirted this before, but now I will join my friend and say...that even saying, 'God works in
mysterious ways', is also 'of the devil'.
(I have said often here, 'God is actually not mysterious at all'.)

The masses have been duped!
What a perfect trick. Sly as all get out.
Make people believe God is an angry, brutal murderer and accept it blindly, making up 'rational' excuses.
Make them believe it's all because God works in mysterious ways....then perform blood sacrifices
for Him...
thinking you're doing some 'good and holy thing'...when it's baloney.
(Not that in some books of the OT there is not wisdom....but the murderous, angry God
is not my Father that I know.)

Then, Jesus comes along to change everything...set us straight...'God is Love'...and all that that means.
No wonder atheists see Christianity as a blood cult.

And now I will be like an enemy to those that hold fast to the angry God, that could actually cast someone into an everlasting fire....Good Lord...I can hear it now a'comin'.
All because I see God as Love. And why do I?
Because of direct personal experience by His Grace....
not from stories in many books compiled based on fear and superstitions.

Talk amongst yourselves.
Hmmm
Jesus sets you straight by saying “God is love”.
Why then Jesus/Bible talk about hell and fire? Wasn’t it created by God?
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:16 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Most of the substance of speech attributed to Jesus is directly from Isaiah
If you have read the scriptures you would know this
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I'd buy that phetaroi. Unfortunately I can't "rep" you at the moment.
Thank you, Nate.
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Old 06-19-2019, 11:53 PM
 
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I'd buy that phetaroi. Unfortunately I can't "rep" you at the moment.
Nor can I. He's Too Good
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Old 06-20-2019, 12:00 AM
 
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Most of the substance of speech attributed to Jesus is directly from Isaiah
If you have read the scriptures you would know this
That's a worthwhile observation. of course the believers would say that Jesus could use the Scripture the Jews believed in as the basis for his teachings, rather than the Christian writers doing the same., either in the interests of finding prophecies that Gospel -Jesus could be made to fulfil (or Caiaphas, if he was the only one available) or in showing how the teachers of Jewish Law were selling it short.

But....I won't get into a discussion of why Jesus did this if he knew that they wouldn't listen, turn and be saved and spoke in parables to ensure they wouldn't as, if they did, God's plan wouldn't work. Come to think of it, as good a stitch -up as OT God ever did with Adam or Pharaoh. So maybe it is the same god after all .
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Old 06-20-2019, 02:49 AM
 
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See the cross of Christ brought back to God what He lost through Adam , as God gave the earth to Adam spiritually , and Adam ignored God and gave the earth by default to the devil ..... God had no spiritual authority to the earth ...........God had no authority , the Holy Angels had no power the put the devil out .... Still God had a plan to bring in a deliverer which Jesus eventually came , so all God could do was to get people killed to put the devil out to full fill His plan ......... With the authority of the cross of Christ God did not have to get people killed to full fill His plan from the New testament of the bible , as Jesus now has all the spiritual authority of the heaven and the earth
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Old 06-20-2019, 04:42 AM
 
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It's pretty silly to see atheists arguing over texts that have very little to do with the faith. The faith comes from God who sustains the faith, and most Christians have not even read the texts that some atheists spend their lives arguing about.

The texts are COMPLETELY meaningless without faith. Completely. 100%.

A Christian could have a deeply rich and fulfilled life without even once opening the book. He doesn't even need the book when he has a relationship with his creator.
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