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Old 06-24-2019, 09:21 AM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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The doctrine of eternal damnation in hell for not believing in/accepting Jesus has been at the cornerstone of Christian belief for 2000 years. It has been used at every stop to bludgeon people into being terrified they will suffer eternally if they don't accept Jesus. But I am here to tell you it is a false doctrine that you have no reason to fear and I can prove it.
So now what. Non-rhetorical question.

You are free.
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Old 06-24-2019, 09:28 AM
 
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Well said.

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Old 06-24-2019, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Brentwood, Tennessee
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I don't believe in UFOs, but I also don't spend large chunks on time on websites talking about it.

This obsession is quite revealing.
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Old 06-24-2019, 09:35 AM
Status: "Scarface IS fiction!" (set 5 days ago)
 
Location: Germany
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I don't believe in UFOs, but I also don't spend large chunks on time on websites talking about it.

This obsession is quite revealing.
Yes, people who believe in UFO's do not try to force their beliefs onto others, force them into government, or put bombs on their chests to kill innocent people. It also shines a light on those not intelligent enough to understand this difference.
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Old 06-24-2019, 09:36 AM
 
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LMAO! Lee Strobel. Liar for Jesus. Ye gods!!

A self-proclaimed 'tough investigative journalist' that ignores the very life-blood of investigative journalism, by only interviewing those that agree with him.

Here you are snj90 (not that you'll read it)

The Case Against 'The Case For Christ'

This book consists largely of "interviews" of prominent Christian apologists - no secular scholars of any note, just apologists. Written in a narrative style, designed for easy, laid-back reading that is familiar to readers of apologetic literature, it is intended to build a case that the historical record of the New Testament is accurate and believable. Its case is most powerfully made to those who already accept unquestioningly the authority of the gospels. In this sense, it is really preaching to the choir. For the rest of us, the author tries to get us hooked by demonstrating that authority early on - right in the first part of the book, in fact.

The book is very cleverly crafted. It is often claimed by the proponents of this book that the author wrote it when he was an atheist, and was undergoing the conversion process. This is not true. From a careful reading (see the last two paragraphs at the bottom of page 14), he makes it quite clear that he wrote it as a fully committed Christian, "retracing" his spiritual path an indeterminate period of time after the fact. As such, it is yet another ordinary piece of apologetic axe-grinding.


Here's the thing about Lee Strobel and others of his ilk: Strobel et al. has found a way to milk gullible Christians of their $$$'s by first setting up a good story of how they came to Christ, then making a cottage industry out of writing books that use his pet phrase, "The Case For...." Looks at this list:

The Case For Christ (original)
The Case For Faith
The Case For a Creator
The Case For Grace
The Case For Miracles
The Case For the Real Jesus
The Case For Christianity
The Case For Christmas! (for God's sake!)
The Case For Hope
The Case For a Creator for Cretins....er..Kids
The Case For Easter

I mean anyone who can't see what Strobel is doing here--using books as a cash cow to generate money for his lavish lifestyle--has either got to be a moron....or a Christian.

The truth is, Christianity has devolved into a circus where a few smart con artists simply label themselves Christians and then proceed to bilk hapless losers out of the few bucks they have to support their opulent lifestyles. People don't know that Stroble has a team of ghost writers who crank out these "The Case For..." books like clockwork and then he sells them on the strength of his name using his tagline "hard-hitting (love that phrase) investigative reporter who set out to prove Jesus false and then came to believe in him." If you were a half-wit and fell for this kind of slop wouldn't you spend money on him too???????

Since these scam artists cannot offer any real proof for Jesus they merely recycle the same tired old stories and excuses for why Jesus is real in an effort to keep the green rolling in. Simply put, if there's no proof for Jesus, then there is no proof he ever said any of the things attributed to him, including the man-made teachings on hell and who will go there.
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Old 06-24-2019, 09:39 AM
Status: "We The North" (set 24 days ago)
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I don't believe in UFOs, but I also don't spend large chunks on time on websites talking about it.

This obsession is quite revealing.
People who believe in UFOs don't pose the dangers to mankind that religionists do.
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Old 06-24-2019, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Brentwood, Tennessee
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Yes, people who believe in UFO's do not try to force their beliefs onto others, force them into government, or put bombs on their chests to kill innocent people. It also shines a light on those not intelligent enough to understand this difference.
Resist!

Right?

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Old 06-24-2019, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Brentwood, Tennessee
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People who believe in UFOs don't pose the dangers to mankind that religionists do.
Ohhhh you're a crusader. Ok well carry on. It just seems like a constant dark head space to spend SO much time on something you hate.
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Old 06-24-2019, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Originally Posted by Rafius
LMAO! Lee Strobel. Liar for Jesus. Ye gods!!

A self-proclaimed 'tough investigative journalist' that ignores the very life-blood of investigative journalism, by only interviewing those that agree with him.

Here you are snj90 (not that you'll read it)

The Case Against 'The Case For Christ'

This book consists largely of "interviews" of prominent Christian apologists - no secular scholars of any note, just apologists. Written in a narrative style, designed for easy, laid-back reading that is familiar to readers of apologetic literature, it is intended to build a case that the historical record of the New Testament is accurate and believable. Its case is most powerfully made to those who already accept unquestioningly the authority of the gospels. In this sense, it is really preaching to the choir. For the rest of us, the author tries to get us hooked by demonstrating that authority early on - right in the first part of the book, in fact.

The book is very cleverly crafted. It is often claimed by the proponents of this book that the author wrote it when he was an atheist, and was undergoing the conversion process. This is not true. From a careful reading (see the last two paragraphs at the bottom of page 14), he makes it quite clear that he wrote it as a fully committed Christian, "retracing" his spiritual path an indeterminate period of time after the fact. As such, it is yet another ordinary piece of apologetic axe-grinding.


Here's the thing about Lee Strobel and others of his ilk: Strobel et al. has found a way to milk gullible Christians of their $$$'s by first setting up a good story of how they came to Christ, then making a cottage industry out of writing books that use his pet phrase, "The Case For...." Looks at this list:

The Case For Christ (original)
The Case For Faith
The Case For a Creator
The Case For Grace
The Case For Miracles
The Case For the Real Jesus
The Case For Christianity
The Case For Christmas! (for God's sake!)
The Case For Hope
The Case For a Creator for Cretins....er..Kids
The Case For Easter

I mean anyone who can't see what Strobel is doing here--using books as a cash cow to generate money for his lavish lifestyle--has either got to be a moron....or a Christian.

The truth is, Christianity has devolved into a circus where a few smart con artists simply label themselves Christians and then proceed to bilk hapless losers out of the few bucks they have to support their opulent lifestyles. People don't know that Stroble has a team of ghost writers who crank out these "The Case For..." books like clockwork and then he sells them on the strength of his name using his tagline "hard-hitting (love that phrase) investigative reporter who set out to prove Jesus false and then came to believe in him." If you were a half-wit and fell for this kind of slop wouldn't you spend money on him too???????

Since these scam artists cannot offer any real proof for Jesus they merely recycle the same tired old stories and excuses for why Jesus is real in an effort to keep the green rolling in. Simply put, if there's no proof for Jesus, then there is no proof he ever said any of the things attributed to him, including the man-made teachings on hell and who will go there.
Mind you! I wish I'd frickin' thought of it!!
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Old 06-24-2019, 09:50 AM
Status: "Scarface IS fiction!" (set 5 days ago)
 
Location: Germany
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Resist!

Right?

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