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Old 06-29-2019, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Florida
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If you are actually affiliated with a specific religion or denomination of Christianity, how do you reconcile what your religion teaches with what you actually believe? If there's a conflict, do you just toss out the baby with the bath water and move on to a new set of beliefs, do you stress out about the discrepancy between what you believe and what you have been told you're "supposed to" believe, or have you found a good way to reconcile these conflicts while still remaining part of the group you affiliate with?
I would think your own personal beliefs, thoughts and opinions would give you an indication that what you've been told to believe may not be the "Truth" especially since most are man made
If you feel your beliefs are not quite in line with those of your particular belief in a god then go with it .
"They" really don't really know more than you do
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Old 06-29-2019, 06:56 PM
 
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Atheism really has nothing to do with this topic. Read the OP--Katzpur is asking the question of people who do have some sort of belief.
It has to do with the idea of being "told" to believe something. No one believes because they are told to believe. They believe because they've seen the grace of God.
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Old 06-29-2019, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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It has to do with the idea of being "told" to believe something. No one believes because they are told to believe. They believe because they've seen the grace of God.
That's just not true. Little children in Sunday school are basically told to believe something.
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Old 06-29-2019, 07:56 PM
 
Location: NSW
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I suspect very few people are 100% onboard with every last doctrine or dogma their particular church espouses, and I really take issue with anyone who would label someone a "hypocrite" for sticking with a church they agree with, say, 95%. I actually have a word for such people, but I can't use it here.
Agreed on this issue, you are not going to necessarily agree with everything your church believes or teaches.
That does not mean you leave it.
Of course, there are many sniping and carping from the sidelines, who would like you to leave it.
But joining their ilk, who are totally Un-Christlike in nature, is going even more against my beliefs.
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Old 06-29-2019, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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It has to do with the idea of being "told" to believe something. No one believes because they are told to believe. They believe because they've seen the grace of God.
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That's just not true. Little children in Sunday school are basically told to believe something.
Exactly. We are told in Sunday School that this and that and the other thing is what we are supposed to believe.

Even worse, we are told that the act of believing itself is our salvation.
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Old 06-29-2019, 08:41 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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While still a believer I went with what felt true within my own spirit. It was so strong I couldn't have denied it even if I wanted to. It contradicted everything I was told. There was no organization involved at that point, just the opposite. As far as belonging to a group if I agreed with 95% of something and that 5% contradicted a core belief of mine I would stand against them. If that 5% was no big deal then that's no big deal.

Is MQ giving away the atheist recipe for baby soup?
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Old 06-29-2019, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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While still a believer I went with what felt true within my own spirit. It was so strong I couldn't have denied it even if I wanted to. It contradicted everything I was told. There was no organization involved at that point, just the opposite. As far as belonging to a group if I agreed with 95% of something and that 5% contradicted a core belief of mine I would stand against them. If that 5% was no big deal then that's no big deal.

Is MQ giving away the atheist recipe for baby soup?
HAHAHA, don't be silly. That's a secret recipe Episcopalians make for their potluck dinners!
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Old 06-29-2019, 09:41 PM
 
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Exactly. We are told in Sunday School that this and that and the other thing is what we are supposed to believe.

Even worse, we are told that the act of believing itself is our salvation.
Exactly. It is the belief itself that saves. We believe because deep inside we already know it is true.

We can never know ourselves until we believe. We can never truly be happy until we are able to be ourselves.
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Old 06-29-2019, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Exactly. It is the belief itself that saves. We believe because deep inside we already know it is true.

We can never know ourselves until we believe. We can never truly be happy until we are able to be ourselves.
Like, deep stuff, man.
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Old 06-29-2019, 11:23 PM
 
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Like, deep stuff, man.
It's the reason you were created.
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