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Old 07-03-2019, 03:20 PM
 
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It's fear based
Blood based
cannibalistic based
human sacrifice based
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:21 PM
 
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"Religion is based primarily and mainly upon fear. It is partly the terror of the unknown and partly the wish to feel that you have a kind of elder brother who will stand by you in all your troubles and disputes. Fear is the basis of the whole thing fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. It is because fear is at the basis of those two things."- Bertrand
Christianity shows the falsity of what Russell said. Do you seriously think that fearful humans inventing a religion would have invented Christianity (or Judaism)? The fact that Christianity is so utterly counterintuitive, so utterly not what fearful humans would have been likely to invent, is one of the things that has helped convince many people it is True. Russell said lots of wise and insightful things, but this wasn't one of them.
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:23 PM
 
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Damn straight it is.
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Old 07-03-2019, 06:48 PM
 
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some people are fear based. Not all people are fear based.

thus religion can't be all fear based.
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Old 07-03-2019, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Christianity shows the falsity of what Russell said. Do you seriously think that fearful humans inventing a religion would have invented Christianity (or Judaism)? The fact that Christianity is so utterly counterintuitive, so utterly not what fearful humans would have been likely to invent, is one of the things that has helped convince many people it is True. Russell said lots of wise and insightful things, but this wasn't one of them.
There's a good reason that christianity is "so utterly counter-intuitive".
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Old 07-04-2019, 01:23 AM
 
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Well, Bertrand is certainly entitled to make his own sweeping generalizations, but his experience with religion doesn't even come close to mine.
Agreed. It's very simplistic to say such things. Pretty much our whole lives on planet earth are fear based. But people just love to pick the religion/ideology/system (political, economic, educational, etc.) they don't like and then generalize it to everything and say it's the cause of all our sorrows and if we'd just get rid of X, all our problems would be solved. CD is full of threads like that. So. Tiresome.
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Old 07-04-2019, 04:21 AM
 
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Agreed. It's very simplistic to say such things. Pretty much our whole lives on planet earth are fear based. But people just love to pick the religion/ideology/system (political, economic, educational, etc.) they don't like and then generalize it to everything and say it's the cause of all our sorrows and if we'd just get rid of X, all our problems would be solved. CD is full of threads like that. So. Tiresome.
yes, this can be said for my statement of belief about god followers.

some in our atheist ranks do not apply the same standards to their belief, their people, because of some weird sense of a crusading to save us and that their world view is fit for public consumption. they can't understand that separating discussion on religion from "what god might be" will actually make more atheist. They have to have us say "no, we deny all gods", when that is not the issue for most of us.

of course, do the numbers involved, religion is a bigger problem.

but what claim is is more valid
'we need to stop bad people"
or
"we need to stop religion."

what one is a better base line statement to form a world view? what one leads to the means justifying the ends causing more harm than good?
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Old 07-04-2019, 08:38 AM
 
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Yes. Why is it not obvious. There are two options heaven or hell.
Maybe to YOU, not necessarily to everyone else, religious or not.

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Or neither.
For example.
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Old 07-04-2019, 09:36 AM
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Christianity shows the falsity of what Russell said. Do you seriously think that fearful humans inventing a religion would have invented Christianity (or Judaism)? The fact that Christianity is so utterly counterintuitive, so utterly not what fearful humans would have been likely to invent, is one of the things that has helped convince many people it is True. Russell said lots of wise and insightful things, but this wasn't one of them.
Many religions are counter intuitive, especially those from the time the various Christianities started to evolve. And many revolved around the fear of dying, so why would Christianity not be the same?
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Old 07-04-2019, 10:23 AM
 
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Evangelical / fundamentalist Christianity is certainly fear-based.

I don’t know much about any of the other religions. From what I have read about Islam, it seems very similar to fundamentalist Christianity: based on the fear of a God that can torture you forever after you die.
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