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Old 06-30-2019, 07:00 PM
 
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"Religion is based primarily and mainly upon fear. It is partly the terror of the unknown and partly the wish to feel that you have a kind of elder brother who will stand by you in all your troubles and disputes. Fear is the basis of the whole thing fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. It is because fear is at the basis of those two things."- Bertrand
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Old 06-30-2019, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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"Religion is based primarily and mainly upon fear. It is partly the terror of the unknown and partly the wish to feel that you have a kind of elder brother who will stand by you in all your troubles and disputes. Fear is the basis of the whole thing fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. It is because fear is at the basis of those two things."- Bertrand
Well, Bertrand is certainly entitled to make his own sweeping generalizations, but his experience with religion doesn't even come close to mine.
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Old 06-30-2019, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Once upon a time in pre history religion consisted of "how did we get here, and what do you think happens when we die". Somebody bit into that apple and off we went.

We've come up with some wild ideas since then but we still can't answer those questions.
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Old 06-30-2019, 11:02 PM
 
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Well, Bertrand is certainly entitled to make his own sweeping generalizations, but his experience with religion doesn't even come close to mine.
Another fallacy I would like to secure naming rights on is the 'dam-buster fallacy' (1) based on a TV episode where one of the living dam -buster raiders was vehemently rejecting the claims that it did no good and caused a lot of harm. 'I was there and those people weren't' was the basis of his argument. The TV programme took him along (to his credit, he was willing to go - the theist prefers to stick their defiant fingers in their ears) and see what it achieved and what harm it caused. And he had to admit in the end that the propaganda value of the raid was far more than any actual damage caused - expect to the people that got flooded.

The fact was that the people who were researching the matter understood it better than the one who was there, and being a participant didn't make them an expert, but rather a partial supporter of their own view of it.

(1) though in the US it's called the 'Were you there?' fallacy..ah sorry..the 'You weren't there - you don't know what it was like!' fallacy. The 'were you there?' fallacy is totally a different one.
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Old 06-30-2019, 11:24 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Is religion fear based?

What other reason would there be for people believing in such nonsense?

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Old 06-30-2019, 11:50 PM
 
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Reminds me of what that Pope from many years ago supposedly said, "this myth of God has been good to us".


Its very obvious, religion in general lends to a more civil and orderly society. people behave themselves because they fear a judgement of all their earthly actions, even thoughts!
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:23 AM
 
Location: The backwoods of Pennsylvania ... unfortunately.
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Reminds me of what that Pope from many years ago supposedly said, "this myth of God has been good to us".


Its very obvious, religion in general lends to a more civil and orderly society. people behave themselves because they fear a judgement of all their earthly actions, even thoughts!
The only reason why you *might* have a more civil and orderly society within religious civilizations is because religion is inherently fascistic, authoritarian, and anti-freedom. When everyone conforms due to the threat of persecution, arrest, imprisonment, or other punishment for daring to question the faith will ultimately lead to a more orderly society - but it will be one based on fear. Do as your told ... or else.

Now, if you enjoy having religion dictate your every move and have often arbitrary rules handed to you from "on high" that you must obey on pain of punishment, then a religious society is for you. But I can tell you in no uncertain terms that there has never been - ever - a free, egalitarian, democratic, peaceful, and tolerant civilization where religion was in control.

Each and every time religion was allowed to make the rules, the result was a society based almost completely on fear. In the end, these theocratic societies were also autocratic - oppressive, intolerant, sexist and misogynistic, bigoted, benighted, backward places that no one in their right mind would want to live unless they were a 'true believer,' a fanatic like the rest of society. There is no room for things like the freedom of expression, no room to question authority, no room for protest, no room to be at all different from the herd.

Freedom can be a burden for some folks - for those people, they might thrive in such a nightmarish place. But for most of us, we would rather carry the burden of responsibility for our own choices than to have those choices made for us.
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:32 AM
 
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With Christians there is slight fear of being lost and left behind in the after life , were to lose God and end up isolated in a spirit with a everlasting thirst , so to lean on God is the answer ,.......... Where God is life today and in the afterlife .........So it is best to know God the Father , as He is the aspect of No fear , because love has No fear ..... See the tough love is of man and not of God
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Old 07-01-2019, 04:14 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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With Christians there is slight fear of being lost and left behind in the after life ...
Slight?? LOL! It invades your every waking minute.
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Old 07-01-2019, 04:19 AM
 
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Slight?? LOL! It invades your every waking minute.
I was thinking that if it was greater than slight, there wouldn't be so much sinning. So slight might be a good word choice.
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