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Old Yesterday, 05:46 AM
 
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It's a fact that men joined the priesthood because they had a propensity for pederasty, in the same way men with an inclination for children targeted single mothers at Parents Without Partners meetings. So why are we surprised that men in the grips of abnormal sexual illnesses became Christians and were able to beautifully and convincingly walk the walk and talk the talk even though they were atheists and then got into positions of responsibility over children because they could count on gullible Christian pushovers defending them despite their bad behavior if they just cried crocodile tears and repented with trembling lips like Jimmy Swaggert did with his, "I have sinned."

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Men have been using Christianity for their personal gain for millennia. Dumb Christians have been forgiving them for doing it for as long.
Believe it or not when I saw that thats when I knew logic wasn't the answer. I don't know about actively lying about the universe is the way to go for atheism, but I knew straight up logic will not work on these people.
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Old Yesterday, 06:23 AM
 
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a good cop abuses his daughter
a good teacher abuses his daughter
a good accountant abuses his daughter

good people abuse their children.

but yeah, to your last line, lets put them all in prison and let it sort itself out.

oh wait, that isn't fair. its way more fair to have a second, third, and forth victim. you know, "we didn't do anything."
One of God’s employees is a little different then what you listed.

The priests boss doesn’t do anything while the rape is happening and it watches the entire rape happen.

It waits until the priest/rapist dies before it can do anything about it.
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Old Yesterday, 06:57 AM
 
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Well, it was God himself, that cast Satan and the other fallen angels, down to earth (AMONG US), and 'allowed' them the ability to interact and influence things in our lives!!
Part of it is true.
And thatís the whole idea.

Did you notice, God also provided us with a guideline as to what are the doís and donts?

We have the ability and potential to A LOT of bad to others - AND - we also have the ability to do A LOT of good that benefits others.

Itís now up to each individual whether he wants to put an effort to live a life within the boundaries drawn by God - OR - he wants to follow his lust/greed and letís the satan to influence him?

We all go through this test - the bell rings, our time ends, and the last curtain falls on our eyes - and new humans arrive at the scene to go through their turn.

Those who tried to live by Godís guidance are hopeful, and will get the rewards for their efforts.

And rebels will face the consequences of their bad/evil actions even if they manage to dodge the man made laws and avoid punishments.

Of course, thatís all a faith based belief. Whether someone takes or not, is their choice.
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Old Yesterday, 07:00 AM
 
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WELL, AGAIN we see the Hypocritical thinking of the Christian right. Again, (it seems like we do have this all to often) a pastor has sexually abused a teen, this time an adopted daughter, and in typical "It's ok when WE do it" fashion, his congregation shows up to talk about what a great Christian man he is and how his church needs him. Churches already seem to have plenty of men like him, based on crime reports, and perhaps this partially explains the sordid state of Christianity in America.

When I was a kid, in the Baptist church, our pastor's daughter ran away from home at 15. She returned a year later, told some close friends that she had been molested by her father. Word got out in the church, the town small town Baptist, and the excuses ranged from"Oh that's a family problem not a church problem" to |"well that's different" to "Do no talk about that" Whatever happened, nothing came of it. But he did abruptly announce his resignation(his "CALLING TO Missionary work") and disappeared from everyone's lives forever Thank the FSM. But there was no investigation or crime or anything back then, decades ago, not like today where it makes headlines and people get carted off to jail. It may have been more common than anyone wants to admit.
But this type of garbage still happens in Christianity all the time, from Jimmy Swaggart's hired escorts all the way down to the small minded Tennessee congregation in the Bible belt like the one above.

It's a shame though that Christianity and the Church are so "Perfect" as to allow this sort of thing to happen.

As the article says

How warped must a religion be where a man like this can be considered a faithful devotee? But that is what Christianity is.........And this article is proof of that. Amen.

Personally, I would love to see someone put the green light on this guy in prison and let him find out first hand if his Jesus is real or not. Maybe a visit from Mr Broomstick after the weekly Bible study would be in line.
"noah's ark" always represented common sense to me.

people put their ideologies ahead the safety of children all the time. cops protect cops, teachers protect teachers, liberals liberals, conservatives conservatives.

But I don't think most people think that way.
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Old Yesterday, 07:07 AM
 
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The difference is that those offenders outside the Church do not get excused, treated as saints for some exhibition repentance and do not get an organisation covering up for them, and then lecturing usall about how sinful we all are and how we should take the organisation as our moral mentors.

This isn't about whether the religion is true, but about whether such an organisation deserves respect and support.
All those who support these monsters in the churches, are part of the gang and should be brought under the weight of law.

However, not the ENTIRE Christian organization is evil. There are many good and kind hearted men and women in this organization. Many volunteers, many charity donars, many who care for others and many who are well wishers of others.
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Old Yesterday, 07:16 AM
 
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All those who support these monsters in the churches, are part of the gang and should be brought under the weight of law.

However, not the ENTIRE Christian organization is evil. There are many good and kind hearted men and women in this organization. Many volunteers, many charity donars, many who care for others and many who are well wishers of others.
all those who support putting these monsters in regular neighbors are part of the gang and should be brought under the weight of law.

yeah, I agree.

what ideology stops these good people from taking action?
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Old Yesterday, 07:30 AM
 
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All those who support these monsters in the churches, are part of the gang and should be brought under the weight of law.

However, not the ENTIRE Christian organization is evil. There are many good and kind hearted men and women in this organization. Many volunteers, many charity donars, many who care for others and many who are well wishers of others.

Emphasis added.

No, not the entire organization is evil. But significant portions are, which causes me to wonder if, on the whole, the organization is beneficial or detrimental to society as a whole.

If you read the link in the OP, dozens of parishioners came forward as character witnesses in an effort to reduce or eliminate penalties to the incestuous pedophile in question. Do they think that preaching sermons and ancillary pastoral duties excuses sexual abuse? It certainly seems so.

How about the Catholic church? The church is affiliated with schools, hospitals and charities, yet also runs an international support system for pedophiles. On the whole, are we better with, or without, the catholic church?

Is some charitable work compensation for evil? Back in the day, the mafia was known for contributing to widows and orphans, sponsoring street and church festivals, and providing employment for men in need. It was also known for protection rackets, gunrunning, gambling, extortion and prostitution. Do we excuse Don Corleone, or his real life equivalents, their offenses because they have also done some good things? Do we say that not all people in the organization are evil, therefore we should let it continue?

Why do we give religious organizations a special exemption for behavior?
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Old Yesterday, 07:34 AM
 
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all those who support putting these monsters in regular neighbors are part of the gang and should be brought under the weight of law.

yeah, I agree.

what ideology stops these good people from taking action?
Perhaps a big majority of us?

It was our own ideology, remember?

We decided to create and live in a society where we agreed to create relaxed laws with lenient punishments for such animals?

How about, instead of wasting our time and energies on criticising the organization, we work together and raise our voices through legal channels to push for laws which dictate that, rapists and pedophiles, after getting convicted in a court of law based on DNA and/or other undeniable evidence should face capital punishment immediately after the fair trial ends?

I think that will be more concrete of an action rather than just hot air from the mouth.
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Old Yesterday, 07:36 AM
 
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ah, a risk vs befit analysis. thats sounds great.

"religion" verses "some parts of religion"?
all religions vs sects of individual religions?
all god beliefs vs over organized religion?

some people do bad things so all people are evil?
isn't that why that dude flew down to save us?
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Old Yesterday, 07:41 AM
 
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Emphasis added.

No, not the entire organization is evil. But significant portions are, which causes me to wonder if, on the whole, the organization is beneficial or detrimental to society as a whole.

If you read the link in the OP, dozens of parishioners came forward as character witnesses in an effort to reduce or eliminate penalties to the incestuous pedophile in question. Do they think that preaching sermons and ancillary pastoral duties excuses sexual abuse? It certainly seems so.

How about the Catholic church? The church is affiliated with schools, hospitals and charities, yet also runs an international support system for pedophiles. On the whole, are we better with, or without, the catholic church?

Is some charitable work compensation for evil? Back in the day, the mafia was known for contributing to widows and orphans, sponsoring street and church festivals, and providing employment for men in need. It was also known for protection rackets, gunrunning, gambling, extortion and prostitution. Do we excuse Don Corleone, or his real life equivalents, their offenses because they have also done some good things? Do we say that not all people in the organization are evil, therefore we should let it continue?

Why do we give religious organizations a special exemption for behavior?
These evil men will NOT perish from our society if we agree to abolish this entire organization.

These monsters, to a great extent, will remain among us, with a different mask on their faces.

IMO, if we need to save and better protect our children and vulnerable females from these monsters then together being vigilant and alert parents, we must introduce and enforce VERY, VERY STRICT laws to punish these convicts through legal justice system.
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