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Old 08-04-2019, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Its always been 99% being mislead. God only has 1 single religion, so you are correct-99% of them are not his and believe false reasonings.
Another white lie for christ.
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Old 08-04-2019, 12:53 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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Eternal torment in the lake of fire is the worst thing imaginable. And yet, it is very real. So why do you complain about God and His justice? How can the creature rebel against the omnipotent Creator? Why don't you stop your foolish rebellion and instead beg Him for mercy the name of Jesus?!
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Old 08-04-2019, 01:08 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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Eternal torment in the lake of fire is the worst thing imaginable. And yet, it is very real. So why do you complain about God and His justice? How can the creature rebel against the omnipotent Creator? Why don't you stop your foolish rebellion and instead beg Him for mercy the name of Jesus?!
Your monstrous, psychotic god-thing is a cartoon character in an old book.
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Old 08-04-2019, 01:51 PM
 
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Eternal torment in the lake of fire is the worst thing imaginable. And yet, it is very real. So why do you complain about God and His justice? How can the creature rebel against the omnipotent Creator? Why don't you stop your foolish rebellion and instead beg Him for mercy the name of Jesus?!
Because hell isn't the least bit real.
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Old 08-04-2019, 02:45 PM
 
Location: The house I built
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Why should anyone get bent out of shape because someone else has a different belief or follows a path so unlike the one you are on? If you feel threatened by another persons belief's, could it be that you are not completely convinced? Doubt is always going to be there.



I believe in the afterlife. I believe in God. And I have spent most of my life as either an atheist or agnostic or openly cursing the almighty for the wrongs in my life I blamed him for. My beliefs won't fit into any religion or church. I believe all religions have a sense of the larger picture but none can be said to be the correct one.



Imagine a young child growing up in India and he studies and believes totally in Hinduism? Or he is from SE Asia and grows up surrounded by Buddhism. Or he is born In the Middle East and has memorized most of the Koran and practices his faith daily with enthusiasm.



What could any of these people have done to be deserving an eternity of torture in a lake of fire? Do you really think there is any chance at all that the day he chats with a christian he converts to Christianity and accept Jesus Christ as his personal savior? It just ain't going to happen and no one should be punished because of the environment in which he or she was born.



A loving God does not torture anyone for eternity. I could not and would not ever worship anyone's God knowing that people who never had a chance are suffering for eternity. I do not believe that anyone's religious doctrines are without error's and misinterpretations. And possibly purposely mis-information provided by people who meant well and thought they knew what was best for the rest of us.



Are your beliefs based on love or fear?
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Old 08-04-2019, 02:49 PM
 
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Why should anyone get bent out of shape because someone else has a different belief or follows a path so unlike the one you are on? If you feel threatened by another person's belief's, could it be that you are not completely convinced? Doubt is always going to be there.



I believe in the afterlife. I believe in God. And I have spent most of my life as either an atheist or agnostic or openly cursing the almighty for the wrongs in my life I blamed him for. My beliefs won't fit into any religion or church. I believe all religions have a sense of the larger picture but none can be said to be the correct one.



Imagine a young child growing up in India and he studies and believes totally in Hinduism? Or he is from SE Asia and grows up surrounded by Buddhism. Or he is born In the Middle East and has memorized most of the Koran and practices his faith daily with enthusiasm.



What could any of these people have done to be deserving of an eternity of torture in a lake of fire? Do you really think there is any chance at all that the day he chats with a Christian he converts to Christianity and accepts Jesus Christ as his personal savior? It just ain't going to happen and no one should be punished because of the environment in which he or she was born.



A loving God does not torture anyone for eternity. I could not and would not ever worship anyone's God knowing that people who never had a chance are suffering for eternity. I do not believe that anyone's religious doctrines are without error's and misinterpretations. And possibly purposely mis-information provided by people who meant well and thought they knew what was best for the rest of us.



Are your beliefs based on love or fear?
They should be based on love for they are mutually exclusive.
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Old 08-05-2019, 12:14 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Eternal torment in the lake of fire is the worst thing imaginable. And yet, it is very real.
Ah! So in that case you will have no problem producing verifiable evidence for it then will you?
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Old 08-05-2019, 01:41 AM
 
Location: NSW
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Eternal torment in the lake of fire is the worst thing imaginable. And yet, it is very real. So why do you complain about God and His justice? How can the creature rebel against the omnipotent Creator? Why don't you stop your foolish rebellion and instead beg Him for mercy the name of Jesus?!
Strangely, when I was younger, I believed that Hell was justifiable and that many deserved it.
As I have gotten older, and seen many older family and friends deceased, that belief has turned full circle.
Nobody deserves it, and the punishment does not befit the crime.
Call me a new age social justice warrior for those in Hell, because others like yourself will let them rot.
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Old 08-05-2019, 02:08 AM
 
Location: Germany
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One of the things that many people cannot get their head around, is a punishment that lasts FOREVER.
What on earth could anyone do, to warrant such a punishment?
It really makes no sense, and is simply beyond comprehension.
Many people that have experienced Hell on the other side (through NDE's etc), have said that this was just, and the punishment for their sin, whatever that may be, was perfectly justified.
Is this just an extreme case of Stockholm Syndrome?
How could anyone not object to it?
If there is not a universal bridge, or an area of penance and purification, then God is building one hell of a big Hell. (no pun intended)

In the Christianity forum there is an ongoing debate whether this doctrine is biblical or not, the Greek words gehenna and aion are vital to the proper understanding, there is plenty of literature out there.

Since this is a general forum, how do Muslims think about this matter?


Concerning NDEs, I don't believe in them, this means I don't believe that these people were dead and in the afterlife.
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Old 08-05-2019, 02:44 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Concerning NDEs, I don't believe in them, this means I don't believe that these people were dead and in the afterlife.
They weren't dead. That's why it's called "near death".
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