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Old 08-01-2019, 11:26 PM
 
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To me, its always been significant, that according to the bible, not that many people will achieve heaven, meaning, the majority of Gods prized creation..WILLINGLY rejected him and his teachings ...which basically means, the bible was not enough to convince majority of people of how great and wonderful God is!!!!!
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Old 08-02-2019, 12:52 AM
 
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To me, its always been significant, that according to the bible, not that many people will achieve heaven, meaning, the majority of Gods prized creation..WILLINGLY rejected him and his teachings ...which basically means, the bible was not enough to convince majority of people of how great and wonderful God is!!!!!
Well, when it's so full of errors and contradictions, it's not surprising that it fails to convince so many that actually take the trouble to read it.
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Old 08-02-2019, 01:11 AM
 
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To me, its always been significant, that according to the bible, not that many people will achieve heaven, meaning, the majority of Gods prized creation..WILLINGLY rejected him and his teachings ...which basically means, the bible was not enough to convince majority of people of how great and wonderful God is!!!!!
The more important point is that God consciously and deliberately designed humanity so that the majority would be excluded from heaven and consigned to hell. Many simply for failing to have the correct faith. Whatta guy!
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Old 08-02-2019, 01:18 AM
 
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The more important point is that God consciously and deliberately designed humanity so that the majority would be excluded from heaven and consigned to hell. Many simply for failing to have the correct faith. Whatta guy!
Which is not to say that we really believe there is a god that actually did this, but that this god was devised - or rather reinvented by Christianity to suit the wishes of the believers.

Arq Axiom no. 8 "Man creates God in his own image- and re-creates it where necessary". Thus, we totally do not believe this god that excludes everyone not of the faith (including his former Own people) actually exists. There may be some sorta god though it isn't probable, but Biblegod does not exist. Quite sure of that.
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Old 08-02-2019, 08:16 AM
 
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Which is not to say that we really believe there is a god that actually did this, but that this god was devised - or rather reinvented by Christianity to suit the wishes of the believers.

Arq Axiom no. 8 "Man creates God in his own image- and re-creates it where necessary". Thus, we totally do not believe this god that excludes everyone not of the faith (including his former Own people) actually exists. There may be some sorta god though it isn't probable, but Biblegod does not exist. Quite sure of that.
Many Christians, most I suspect, consider the majority of other Christians to be false Christians who are not worthy of going to heaven. Only "true" Christians are worthy of heaven. And they will ultimately all be proven correct. Not that they will ever know it. Because the whole concept of an afterlife and heaven or hell is a product of religious make believe.



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Old 08-02-2019, 10:29 AM
 
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The more important point is that God consciously and deliberately designed humanity so that the majority would be excluded from heaven and consigned to hell. Many simply for failing to have the correct faith. Whatta guy!
If that doesn't convince you that such ideas are entirely man-made, nothing will.
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Old 08-04-2019, 04:50 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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There are also those verses about being predestined for this or that. That doesn't sound like free will to me.
AS you say old thing....

Eph 1:4-5,11
For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—
In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will...


Jeremiah 10:23
23 I know, O LORD, that a man's life is not his own;
it is not for man to direct his steps.

Romans 8:20
For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it


Psa 37:23
From Jehovah are the steps of a man, They have been prepared, And his way he desireth.

Pro 16:9
A man's heart plans his course, but Yahweh directs his steps.

Jer 10:23
Yahweh, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man who walks to direct his steps.

Your eyes saw me when I was formless; all my days were written in Your book and planned
before a single one of them began. [Psalm 139:16]

So if old Yahweh has planned every day of our lives, how can we make any free will decision that will change what Yahweh has planned for us? How do we make a free will decision that might change what is "recorded in his book"???
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:57 AM
 
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If that doesn't convince you that such ideas are entirely man-made, nothing will.
Good one.
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:10 AM
 
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If that doesn't convince you that such ideas are entirely man-made, nothing will.
Yes. The entire idea of a creator Being is man made. It is make believe.

I am convinced.
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:56 AM
 
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If that doesn't convince you that such ideas are entirely man-made, nothing will.
I sometimes wonder why we are at odds so much, since we agree on so much.
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