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Old 07-31-2019, 05:23 AM
 
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Truth.

This is the only reason that the Bible has endured for so long. It contains truth that anyone can understand at any age. A person doesn't have to be an intellectual to understand it. In fact, it is a stumbling block to the proud and to intellectuals.

What do you think? If this reason is wrong and it does not contain the truth, then why has it endured for so long? Why is it the greatest selling book of all time?

(The responses will be revealing.)
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Old 07-31-2019, 05:46 AM
 
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Truth.

This is the only reason that the Bible has endured for so long. It contains truth that anyone can understand at any age. A person doesn't have to be an intellectual to understand it. In fact, it is a stumbling block to the proud and to intellectuals.

What do you think? If this reason is wrong and it does not contain the truth, then why has it endured for so long? Why is it the greatest selling book of all time?

(The responses will be revealing.)
Why has the Tripitaka endured for 500 years more than the Bible? Why has the Bhagavad Gita endured even longer than that? They may mean nothing to you but they do to the people for whom they are part of culture.

The Bible happens to have become part of culture for the West which is, in terms of pushiness, the dominant culture in the world and, where you had western traders looking to make money, you had missionaries peddling their religion to anyone who would listen.

It has appeal, to be sure. Perhaps appeal that the other Holy Books don't have. But the fact is that it isn't true. Not if the final assessment on reason and evidence is correct.

The argument that we need it as a moral guide is also becoming debunked - we have had human ethics as a moral guide since Hammurabi and religion just leeched on that and took the credit.

And the final attempt to keep the Bible from becoming the worst -selling book of all time by trumpeting that it is that it is printed in more languages, more widely distributed and most often quoted than any other book is just taking how it has been handed out like advertising by an extensive, well funded and determined propaganda machine and pretending that this somehow makes it true.

It is (on reason and evidence) a lie, and the Bible is a lie and the religions built on it are all lies, and that is demonstrably the case. That is the message that is being put out and it is getting out and attempts to stem the flood of unbelieving realisation by the people of how they have been sold a bill of goods iare going to fail (1) . People do not like to have been made fools of and led around by the nose in order to exploit them, and that is just what the Bible, Christianity and the people who use it to keep the masses under control have been doing.

There may be a god of some kind - probably not - but it is nothing to do with the Bible or any other Holy book.

The church may have done a lot of good. Very few systems have been so bad that there was no 'good' that the apologists for it could point to (2).

There may be very nice and wonderful people who believe this stuff. Fine, but there are some dreadful liars threats to our education and shameless exploiters too, and the religion is protecting and enabling them and that (quite apart from it Not Being True - which is reason enough to push it out of society into the church and onto the Mythology -shelf) is a reason why irreligion has to become the influential social force, not religion, lips -service and 'respect' for it, which are the Flying Monkeys for this Big Lie and a Big Lie that has been sold to us for 200 years.

That is as revealing a response as you could ask for, and I anticipate that Your responses to that are going to be just as revealing of the essential paucity of validity, substance (if one can use the term) of dishonest denialism of your ramshackle religion and willingness to allow the credit of your creed to suffer just so long as You never admit being wrong as have been the last of your dozen responses to me.

(1) Please, God. [3]

(2) try getting a Muslim to see what's wrong with Islam and then, while listening to the torrent of claims about the good it does and how we should not be so negative about it and know how Christian apologetics trying to buy credit for this exploitative system of control with free soup sound to us.

[3] there might be a nice little attempted apologetic there, but we'll see.

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Old 07-31-2019, 05:58 AM
 
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Since the Bible was a stumbling block to me when I was a child, you guess it must mean I was proud or an intellectual? I have been called proud but never an intellectual. Good thing I figured that out.
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Old 07-31-2019, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Truth.

This is the only reason that the Bible has endured for so long. It contains truth that anyone can understand at any age. A person doesn't have to be an intellectual to understand it. In fact, it is a stumbling block to the proud and to intellectuals.

What do you think? If this reason is wrong and it does not contain the truth, then why has it endured for so long? Why is it the greatest selling book of all time?

(The responses will be revealing.)
You can research who buys them and why (hint, Gideons, churches, family members as gifts)
The more important question is how many people actually read them?

For instance, how many of the 59,460,000 Bibles distributed worldwide last year (2017)by The Gideon’s International were read?
A couple of other facts also here
https://brandongaille.com/27-good-bi...es-statistics/
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Old 07-31-2019, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Western Washington
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Power. Christianity, and by extension the Bible, has been about power for most of its history. The Bible is maintained by people who have a vested interest in maintaining that power.

For us to believe your claim, you will need to present evidence that truth is the reason behind the endurance of the Bible. Until you do that, any other hypothesis is equally valid, and your contention fails.
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Old 07-31-2019, 07:09 AM
 
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"I've always found it hard to argue with success" (Charlie Brown)

We often get the same double -standard in religius apologetics - success ii religion is put down to it being true. dammit, even success that is NOT religious (scientific discovery, art and music emancipation, technlogical advance and a high standard of living) is hi -jacked and credited to 'religion' in order to produce 'success' that can be wagged about as 'evidence' that it must be true.

The sheer length of time it has lasted, is a 'success' and the fact that each of its' claims has been debunked by science is never mentioned. The numbers of members is splurged about as 'evidence' that it must be true, but of course that doesn't mean that it anything of the kind The sheer numbers of Bibles printed and the range of languages it is translated into is trumpeted about as 'evidence' ..of what I don't know other than the effort of cash that is poured into Church propaganda.
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Old 07-31-2019, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Truth.

This is the only reason that the Bible has endured for so long. It contains truth that anyone can understand at any age. A person doesn't have to be an intellectual to understand it. In fact, it is a stumbling block to the proud and to intellectuals.

What do you think? If this reason is wrong and it does not contain the truth, then why has it endured for so long? Why is it the greatest selling book of all time?

(The responses will be revealing.)
I guess you could pretty much say the same thing about the Buddhist scriptures (except for the greatest selling book of all time...although the question isn't how many books have been sold, but how many of those books have been read and followed).
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Old 07-31-2019, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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You can research who buys them and why (hint, Gideons, churches, family members as gifts)
The more important question is how many people actually read them?

For instance, how many of the 59,460,000 Bibles distributed worldwide last year (2017)by The Gideon’s International were read?
A couple of other facts also here
https://brandongaille.com/27-good-bi...es-statistics/
Let's put it this way, a bible sitting inside a hotel night stand has almost no takers.
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Old 07-31-2019, 07:27 AM
 
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I would like to add that one reason it survives is because other books were burned at various times in history. So it survived by force. They took out the competition.
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Old 07-31-2019, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Truth.

This is the only reason that the Bible has endured for so long. It contains truth that anyone can understand at any age. A person doesn't have to be an intellectual to understand it. In fact, it is a stumbling block to the proud and to intellectuals.

What do you think? If this reason is wrong and it does not contain the truth, then why has it endured for so long? Why is it the greatest selling book of all time?

(The responses will be revealing.)
So you believe that the Bhagavad Gita is true then? If longevity equals truth then it beats the bible well and truly
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