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Old 08-22-2019, 09:50 AM
 
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9 of the original 13 states had official state religions. They CLEARLY felt that a state could do such a thing.

If you don't like what Rhode Island does, move to Massachussetts, or Illinois, or Idaho. That was their intent.

Later on, the SCOTUS interpreted the 14th Amendment incorrectly to rule that a state could not do that. Having said that, they only seem to apply it in terms of things like religion. They ignore obvious applications on other Amendments, where Congress is explicitly forbidden to make a law about.
You feel that they interpreted it incorrectly. Fine.

What is the actual law of the land as it is understood by the judiciary and practiced today?
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Old 08-22-2019, 09:59 AM
 
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Well, using your logic, I guess you'll just have to accept American law today or move to another country. And no American should ever need to do that.
So work to change it. You can do that.
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But to use your logic again, may I assume that if your state decided to adopt Islam as it's official religion, you'd be fine with that?
I'd probably move.
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Old 08-22-2019, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I'd probably move.
I didn't ask that.
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Old 08-22-2019, 10:03 AM
 
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I didn't ask that.
If I said I'd move, that indicates that I would not "be fine" with my state declaring Islam as a state religion, doesn't it? But do they have that right, under the Constitution? Yup. Would I vote against it and contact my state legislator and the Governor's office to vote against it? Yup.
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Old 08-22-2019, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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If I said I'd move, that indicates that I would not "be fine" with my state declaring Islam as a state religion, doesn't it? But do they have that right, under the Constitution? Yup. Would I vote against it and contact my state legislator and the Governor's office to vote against it? Yup.
Forgive me if I am skeptical.
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Old 08-22-2019, 10:09 AM
 
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If I said I'd move, that indicates that I would not "be fine" with my state declaring Islam as a state religion, doesn't it? But do they have that right, under the Constitution? Yup. Would I vote against it and contact my state legislator and the Governor's office to vote against it? Yup.
Only if you don’t read or understand the entire document of course.
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Old 08-22-2019, 10:25 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Only if you don’t read or understand the entire document of course.
Understanding the Constitution also includes understanding the rulings by the Supreme Court that have determined how the Constitution is interpreted. Basically, the Constitution means whatever the Supreme Court said it means the last time they ruled on a particular topic.
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Old 08-22-2019, 10:41 AM
 
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Understanding the Constitution also includes understanding the rulings by the Supreme Court that have determined how the Constitution is interpreted. Basically, the Constitution means whatever the Supreme Court said it means the last time they ruled on a particular topic.
The SCOTUS can and has made poor rulings before that have been overturned.

In any event, my point is that in light of the current interpretation of the 14th, there are today examples of other rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights that are being trampled in some states. It's weird how you aren't bothered by them.
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Old 08-22-2019, 10:42 AM
 
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Forgive me if I am skeptical.
I actually just moved out of Illinois. It's a very poorly run state, and there were a number of issues that led to me moving. I would, sadly, move out of my current state if it got to the same point.
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Old 08-22-2019, 11:58 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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The SCOTUS can and has made poor rulings before that have been overturned.

In any event, my point is that in light of the current interpretation of the 14th, there are today examples of other rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights that are being trampled in some states. It's weird how you aren't bothered by them.
There is no court higher than the US Supreme Court, so there is no way to overturn a ruling.

Nothing in the Bill Of Rights is being trampled.
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