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Old 08-15-2019, 12:23 AM
 
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Christians, do you feel proud that your actions are the same as third world countries? The same as governments endorse in Muslim countries? The same as in many countries run by despots?

If you are Christian, what are you doing, if you feel this is wrong, to dissuade your fellow more extreme brethren?

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https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-of-countries/

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Old 08-16-2019, 12:17 AM
 
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Pew research is not always unbiased.
But some interesting stats.
Russia harassing the irreligious, or Greece?
Seems a bit strange.
Of course there are no Fundamentalist Christian countries, where church and state are not separated, like there are with some hardline Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia.
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Old 08-16-2019, 12:48 AM
 
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Pew research is not always unbiased.
But some interesting stats.
Russia harassing the irreligious, or Greece?
Seems a bit strange.
Of course there are no Fundamentalist Christian countries, where church and state are not separated, like there are with some hardline Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia.
PEW polls may not agree with your biases, but no credible critic has ever, EVER, called them biased.
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Old 08-16-2019, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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PEW polls may not agree with your biases, but no credible critic has ever, EVER, called them biased.
That's an awfully broad statement to make. I guess it comes down to what you mean by "credible critic".
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Old 08-16-2019, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Mars City
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Christians, do you feel proud that your actions are the same as third world countries?
And you, as an American, do you feel proud of your actions that mirror those of a country known to inflict harm/trouble on its own citizens, and others all around the world?

Face it, you and I can't control people even around us. So there's no way we'll control or influence people on the other side of the world.

Unless you have some kind of demigod/superhuman complex, you will come down from that towering soapbox you're on, and put the pointing finger away.
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Old 08-16-2019, 12:08 PM
 
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That's an awfully broad statement to make. I guess it comes down to what you mean by "credible critic".
None listed here are credible:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/conspiracy/
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Old 08-16-2019, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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None listed here are credible:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/conspiracy/
While I would tend to agree with that list, other people would have a completely different list.
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Old 08-16-2019, 02:13 PM
 
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This is no surprise. While Islamic countries effectively use government to enable the religion (if they don't. the Islamic flag floats more subversively over the national flag than does the Christian one over Ol' glory) and we already saw how Putin cynically exploits religion for his own authority as much as Stalin exploited Marxist Dogma for his power. It is interesting that Bangladesh is NOT government harassment because i heard that the Bangla government opted for a religious -impartial stance on society. So the harassment (I may be biased, but I'd bet my Farm on which religion is doing it) is carried out at social level.

I don't think this is anything new. Rather a new spirit of questioning of religion is now looking at this and seeing something wrong.

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PEW polls may not agree with your biases, but no credible critic has ever, EVER, called them biased.
It is to be expected that some polarized posters may dismiss PEW as biased simply because they didn't like the results they came up with. But the fact is that Churches themselves have confirmed the concerns about the rise of irreligion. Islam iitself is in a panci about the amount of irreligion with in its' ranks. I wish we were doing more to encourage it as a skeptical deflation of Islamic influence would be the biggest enabler of world peace since since...well i hate to say it, but the Bomb.
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Old 08-16-2019, 06:32 PM
 
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Pew research is not always unbiased.
Would you care to cite some of Pew's supposed bias?

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But some interesting stats.
Russia harassing the irreligious, or Greece?
Seems a bit strange.
What's strange about it?

For example:
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A man in southern Russia faces a potential jail sentence after he was charged with insulting the feelings of religious believers over an internet exchange in which he wrote that “there is no God”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...during-webchat

Perhaps you are confusing Russia with the USSR. You know, the latter went out of business over a quarter century ago.

As an aside, it's pretty obvious that people in virtually every country receive 'social pressure' regarding religion from various directions.
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Old 08-17-2019, 04:49 AM
 
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They do. It's a question of whether they get government backing or feel that they have the clout to arrange boycotts and censorship. I'm very mindful of the social harrasment led by Mary Whitehouse against anything she disapproved of, back in the 80's. I hardly need point what Islam gets up to. We have seen what religion will do if it is allowed to. I suspect that it was the Christian campaign against the Life Of Brian that turned public opinion against the Christian censorship movement. There ought to have been a number of events that turned opinion against religion in various countries, but sometimes there is just too much faith. The point about the Whitehouse campaign was not that it was supported by a lot of faith in the UK, but they were allowed to get away with it because nobody was bothered. It's a question of whether people are going to be Bothered now.
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