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Old 08-21-2019, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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When I hear someone describe their faith as a sense of connection
to something I trust that in them as well as in myself.
Ah, trust has been brought into it.

Is a sense different then a feeling? Kidding...of course, a sense is nothing BUT feeling.
Can that feeling of connection be trusted?
Anyone other than L8Gr8?
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Old 08-21-2019, 03:42 PM
 
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Faith is one of those words that everyone defines in accordance to their own liking.

Here, I think I will side with BaptistFundie's definition (until something different captures my mind).
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Old 08-21-2019, 04:01 PM
 
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No. And no.

Faith is a gift from God, not a feeling that comes and goes.
Aside from those who are obsessive about it, 'Faith' does come and go. It is therefore not a gift from God. Go on - tell me that it is the obsessive kind of faith that is a Gift from God.

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Ah, trust has been brought into it.

Is a sense different then a feeling? Kidding...of course, a sense is nothing BUT feeling.
Can that feeling of connection be trusted?
Anyone other than L8Gr8?
It demonstrably can't be trusted because we have sen far, far too many examples of people with Faith making assertions that are incorrect and reasoning in ways that are flawed. And going into denial and even get hot under the collar when it gets pointed out. No Faith is definitely a feeling and - if it was a gift from God, one that should be returned to the manufacturer with a request to fix the attitude correction system. Get the facts right and then you may risk a little faith.
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Old 08-21-2019, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Ah, trust has been brought into it.

Is a sense different then a feeling? Kidding...of course, a sense is nothing BUT feeling.
Can that feeling of connection be trusted?
Anyone other than L8Gr8?
I don't know. I think there's enough of a nuance between "sense" and "feeling" to differentiate between the two. I have a sense of that connection. In my mind, "feeling" denotes emotion. The "sense" that there is something else, a connection of sorts, is not emotional. I suppose they could co-exist.
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Old 08-21-2019, 04:54 PM
 
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of course. Instincts themselves are not emotional, but they often do trigger emotional responses of a very physical kind.

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Old 08-21-2019, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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You can define faith.

Faith means belief without evidence.
That's literally what it means.

If you think about it, if you had hard evidence of god, you wouldn't have faith. I point this out all the time and people get offended by it for some reason. But that is what faith is.
That is an accurate definition of religious faith.

Faith in the colloquial sense simply means "trust based on and substantiated by evidence or experience", as in, "I trust my wife of many years not to murder me in my sleep". This is almost the opposite of religious faith, actually.

That is one of the hilarities of discussing "faith"; the word itself has two nearly opposite meanings in common usage, and, in fact, theists frequently conflate them to try to gain credibility for religious faith.
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Old 08-21-2019, 05:28 PM
 
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To the point of the OP: religious faith is a decision to accept as true, an assertion about the operation of reality based generally on supernaturalism of some kind. As such, it is not a feeling, but it is largely based on what feels desirable / pleasing / comforting / enjoyable to give credence to. The reason assertions about supernatural beings and realms are more readily believed than any number of other questionable notions is because they avoid directly confronting the realities of life and death, and the realization that life owes us nothing and promises us nothing. That anything you hold dear is subject to being taken from you by random events. Such realizations are intolerable to most of us, and we shrink from them to some greater or lesser degree. If we shrink enough from them, we displace our fear and loathing and yearnings and hopes onto gods and demons and heavens and hells.
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Old 08-21-2019, 05:31 PM
 
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To the point of the OP: religious faith is a decision to accept as true, an assertion about the operation of reality based generally on supernaturalism of some kind. As such, it is not a feeling, but it is largely based on what feels desirable / pleasing / comforting / enjoyable to give credence to. The reason assertions about supernatural beings and realms are more readily believed than any number of other questionable notions is because they avoid directly confronting the realities of life and death, and the realization that life owes us nothing and promises us nothing. That anything you hold dear is subject to being taken from you by random events. Such realizations are intolerable to most of us, and we shrink from them to some greater or lesser degree. If we shrink enough from them, we displace our fear and loathing and yearnings and hopes onto gods and demons and heavens and hells.
there is nothing supernatural about having an eternal soul.
it is natural. it is our nature.
an eternal soul temporarily inhabiting a physical body.


that is the very nature of human life on this planet.
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Old 08-21-2019, 05:34 PM
 
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That is an accurate definition of religious faith.

Faith in the colloquial sense simply means "trust based on and substantiated by evidence or experience", as in, "I trust my wife of many years not to murder me in my sleep". This is almost the opposite of religious faith, actually.

That is one of the hilarities of discussing "faith"; the word itself has two nearly opposite meanings in common usage, and, in fact, theists frequently conflate them to try to gain credibility for religious faith.
Interestingly, if you compare the early definitions of faith with the colloquial example you just gave they are not that different (bar your take on the evidence). It's just in the centuries that'd passed people's definitions have become less nuanced, as the subject itself has become more and more watered down.
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Old 08-21-2019, 05:37 PM
 
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You can define faith.

Faith means belief without evidence.
That's literally what it means.

If you think about it, if you had hard evidence of god, you wouldn't have faith. I point this out all the time and people get offended by it for some reason. But that is what faith is.
I agree with this. On the other hand spirituality is seeking, a spiritual journey based on deep study.
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