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Old 05-12-2008, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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What about his capture in the first place? Would that not help to destroy all evil. No Satan - No evil???
All must be tested and tried in all things, that we might find what is acceptable and approved of God.
Earth is a school, a school for the Sons and Daughters of God Almighty.

The day of rest will take place as planned, then Satan is loosed for a season, in order that all may have the opportunity to overcome.

If you remember one thing, a day to the Lord is a thousand years, and a thousand years is a day to the lord.

godspeed,


freedom
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Old 05-12-2008, 09:43 PM
 
Location: South Florida
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As I said before, maybe it is to expose those who secretly harbor rebellion in their hearts during this time.

Takes 1,000 years to figure this out ILNC? The way I see it is if you remove Satan, humans have no temptation to be evil, right?
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Old 05-12-2008, 09:46 PM
 
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All must be tested and tried in all things, that we might find what is acceptable and approved of God.
Earth is a school, a school for the Sons and Daughters of God Almighty.

The day of rest will take place as planned, then Satan is loosed for a season, in order that all may have the opportunity to overcome.

If you remember one thing, a day to the Lord is a thousand years, and a thousand years is a day to the lord.

godspeed,


freedom
That's a lot of "bible-speak" there Freedom.
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Old 05-12-2008, 09:47 PM
 
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Takes 1,000 years to figure this out ILNC? The way I see it is if you remove Satan, humans have no temptation to be evil, right?
No, Satan is the author of death, so there is no death during the 1000 yrs.

godspeed,


freedom
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Old 05-12-2008, 09:52 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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Takes 1,000 years to figure this out ILNC? The way I see it is if you remove Satan, humans have no temptation to be evil, right?
Well I agree, but we are not God But this is the way He said it will happen and I believe it is for a reason, as I believe everything happens for a reason.
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Old 05-13-2008, 01:13 AM
 
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God can give us the mind of Christ and we can answer with perfect clarity... but who knows how much of the mind of Christ we really have. We all see through the glass darkly. Until God gives us greater revelation... we use the light we have to see and know and understand the Word.

Qualifying my statements thereby on this matter... God predestined that the elect would be called out of the earth in salvation prior to the rest of humanity being called efficaciously into salvation... later.

The elect who are saved out of the world rule and reign with Christ for 1000 years in the millenial rule of Christ. (God wills for the rest of humanity to be saved after the 1000 year reign of Christ.) That is why some people are not brought to faith during this life.

Soapbox: Now, people will want to "blame" those who don't believe during this lifetime that somehow they should be eternally punished for not believing during their lives on earth.... like they really could have if they would have tried harder. We either believe or we don't. We are either given a gift whereby to believe or we aren't. Those of us who do believe have no right!!! to judge those who don't yet believe like we're overachievers and they are not. Not true. It's just not their time... yet. God will save everyone. Jesus is the Savior of all men.

I'd honestly have to read more about why Satan is loosed. It's a set up for a final conflict.

This whole fallen creation - the whole Satan thing - is God just putting on a light show. LOL I mean, look... we create stories in order to show and reveal things about reality. God has created this whole drama to reveal the contrast between good and evil. Had He not created evil... there would be no revelation of what evil is in contrast to good.

We are all actors on a stage. It's God's stage. It's a happy ending... there is suffering during this time... but God will more than make it up to all of us... and, really, if we suffered horribly for 100 years here on earth... and went to rest in peace... and are raised punished in the destruction of evil... then made perfect... well, whatever.

All's well that ends well. Everything and everyone will be in a Heaven or Paradise on earth one day... and everyone will be included in it.

Why?? For pure drama. LOL That's why!!! That's why Satan is released.

It's an epic grand adventure!! God is the most awesome Writer, Producer, and Director of Movie Drama... ever!!! And we are all... actors on His stage.



Now, if anyone gets mad about it... well, we've all paid to watch a movie and eat popcorn, haven't we???

We're not so unlike... our Creator. He DOES love us... He will restore everything... it's not that He's just "entertaining Himself"... it's that He's revealing Himself and the reality of what evil is... which can only be known in contrast to Himself as 100% Good.

That's my "take" on this whole drama... and what a drama... it really is.

My pov... for what it's worth. I've been to Heaven, btw, because I just have had that experience. It's so wonderful... that no one is going to look back. God really will wipe every tear from every eye... and it's like a Never Ending Story with a completely happy ending... for us all. We're loved... and having been to Heaven, myself, I'm telling you no suffering here is worthy to be compared nor... from Heaven's perspective... are we going to look back on this and feel any twinge of pain. No more tears. No more pain. All's well that ends well... and somehow... we'll be the better for it for ever.

Grace and peace,

"LeeLee"
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Before they go banning me for trolling, I'm forced the question here than start a new thread. After all, some of us force people to read and respond to threads.

Ok, while we're on this Satan guy, can someone kindly explain to me why in Revelation chapter 20 Satan is bound for 1,000 years and then released again to wreak havoc on the world? Is this one of those "God works in mysterious ways" moments I always hear about? If it is, dude's really on a whole other level for real.
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Old 05-13-2008, 05:15 AM
 
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Takes 1,000 years to figure this out ILNC? The way I see it is if you remove Satan, humans have no temptation to be evil, right?
The thing is that if you take away evil, you also take away choice.
Every time you take away choice, you take away free will.
So in order for free will to exist, there must be 2 different choices; otherwise known as the choice between doing good or evil.
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Old 05-13-2008, 06:11 AM
 
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Ok, it really seems like I am the one REALLY missing something here so I better stand back. God captures Satan, the earth knows peace. God releases Satan and the earth is back in chaos. Now why in the world would I or should I see anything wrong with this? My bad!
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Old 05-13-2008, 10:04 AM
 
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I'm not 100% sure, but I believe there may have been people born during the 1000 year reign of Christ. I don't understand that. Haven't studied up. Asked people - and they said people were here with physical bodies duringthe 1000 year reign of Christ. If so, everyone else had been tempted by Satan - so these people had to be tempted also.

Or, people had spiritual bodies - are completely good... and it is God's crowning achievement and God wills to bring things to a climax of good and evil with evil being completely defeated by good.

One of those versions is the story.

(Well, anti christ is going to rule the world and mass murder Christians prior to the 1000 year reign of Christ. That doesn't exactly sound fun to me for me and my children to go through and be mass murdered. I'd rather be mass murdered though, than blaspheme the Holy Spirit - tkae the mark of the beast - and be filled completely with Satan's spirit to become Satan incarnate on the earth... like everyone but the Christians will be. THAT'S pretty dramatic. Plus all the plagues etc that are going to happen.)

God controls it all. He wrote the Book.

It's His "movie".

Nothing we can do. Actor on a stage....

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Ok, it really seems like I am the one REALLY missing something here so I better stand back. God captures Satan, the earth knows peace. God releases Satan and the earth is back in chaos. Now why in the world would I or should I see anything wrong with this? My bad!
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Old 05-13-2008, 10:11 AM
 
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There is no free will as far as us choosing contrary to God's ultimate script for us. We have a will... which He can influence Himself... or release Satan to influence... as He wills.

Did you read the book?? Do you think it's just coincidence that the whole world comes under the power of antichrist and blasphemes the Holy Spirit? Get's THAT filled with Satan?? EVERYONE but the Christians??

Is that just a "coincidence" that everyone gets that bad by "free will"??

No. God has released Satan on the earth with THAT MUCH POWER... to control our wills.

It's an illusion to believe God and Satan aren't ruling in the Kingdom of Light and kingdom of darkness... and our wills aren't under their quite controlling influence for good or for evil.

"Free will"??? Right. That's why the Bible happens according to a plan we play out like actors on a stage.

It's a delusion... of grandeur... "free will". as I see it (and I think quite clearly). We're actors on a stage. God wrote the books of all our lives before we were born. (Not by foresight - a movie we're acting out - cause He's GOD...

It's a delusion... imo... the Bible is so clear we have no ability to do anything but His plan and will... and He is in complete control of human history, and can turn our hearts like a watercourse to do as He wills. The Bible flat out says so... but this "love story" concocted to make everything "okay" says "nope, it's about God giving us free will'.

God wrote a book... He wants it played out. It WILL be played out. We're actors on a stage with a pre-created script we can't control... and we will do - just like Peter and all the rest did.

Grace and peace.

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Originally Posted by yydanay515The thing is that if you take away evil, you also take away choice.
Every time you take away choice, you take away free will.
So in order for free will to exist, there must be 2 different choices; otherwise known as the choice between doing good or evil.
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