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Old 09-13-2019, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Probably because he's tired of the nonsense and doesn't care to deal with you and the same old stuff.
Nuh-uh, Brave Sir Fundie. Like all fundies, when faced with a superior argument, he ducks n' runs. Mike has been "done with" more posters than even you have run away from.
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Old 09-13-2019, 11:16 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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I would dearly LOVE to debate Mike555. But when I appear in a string he disappears like smoke.
I've had conversations with you before and your arguments are pathetic. I recall you saying once that Paul's encounter with Jesus on the Damascus Road was due to his not eating and drinking for three days and was delirious. This despite the fact that the text makes clear that it was after, not before, but after Paul had his encounter with Jesus that he took no food or water for three days. But as far as you're concerned, Paul had to have gone without food and water for three days before his encounter and so suffered from hallucinations.

And then there's your ridiculous comparisons of Jesus' resurrection with the belief in Santa Clause. Everyone knows that Santa Claus is make believe. But real, historical persons believed they saw the real, historical person of Jesus alive after his crucifixion, having been risen from the grave. And scholars (including secular scholars) recognize that they actually believed they saw the risen Jesus. The question then becomes why they believed they saw the risen Jesus.

It's pathetic little arguments like this that you have to resort to. I don't waste my time bothering with you any more. and don't intend to start.
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Old 09-13-2019, 11:22 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Probably because he's tired of the nonsense and doesn't care to deal with you and the same old stuff.
Exactly. There are people who simply don't warrant any further attention after a certain point.
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Old 09-13-2019, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Germany
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1. People actually saw Jesus alive after he rose.
Only if the gospels are true.

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2. An entire religion grew as a result of it.

We can go into all the details and talk about how the guards prevented followers from stealing the body. We can talk about how hard all of that would have been. But the biggest proof to me is the movement that started after people saw him alive.
Only if the gospels are true.
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Old 09-13-2019, 11:36 AM
 
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Only if the gospels are true.



Only if the gospels are true.
There really is no reason to believe they aren't. Your prejudices are the only reason one might.
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Old 09-13-2019, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I've had conversations with you before and your arguments are pathetic. I recall you saying once that Paul's encounter with Jesus on the Damascus Road was due to his not eating and drinking for three days and was delirious. This despite the fact that the text makes clear that it was after, not before, but after Paul had his encounter with Jesus that he took no food or water for three days. But as far as you're concerned, Paul had to have gone without food and water for three days before his encounter and so suffered from hallucinations.

And then there's your ridiculous comparisons of Jesus' resurrection with the belief in Santa Clause. Everyone knows that Santa Claus is make believe. But real, historical persons believed they saw the real, historical person of Jesus alive after his crucifixion, having been risen from the grave. And scholars (including secular scholars) recognize that they actually believed they saw the risen Jesus. The question then becomes why they believed they saw the risen Jesus.

It's pathetic little arguments like this that you have to resort to. I don't waste my time bothering with you any more. and don't intend to start.
Surely you don't believe that when people believe they actually saw something means that they actually saw what they thought they saw. Bigfoot. Loch Ness Monster. And many more such "sights".

You don't waste your time "bothering" with the poster, yet you still posted a response to his post.
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Old 09-13-2019, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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There really is no reason to believe they aren't. Your prejudices are the only reason one might.
Actually, people give reasons to doubt their authenticity on here everyday.

And outside of this forum, as well.

Not to mention many christians believe it is a story with a message, rather than an actual occurrence.
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Old 09-13-2019, 11:50 AM
 
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It appears that even supposed devout Christians lack the courage of their convictions.

This question was posed in another string:

Only one believer stepped forward in response. And then even that person disappeared without a follow up response.

Are there NO Christian believers with the courage of their convictions willing to step forward and defend what the say they believe in? And if no Christians are willing to step forward, does that not serve to explain the rapid statistical evaporation of belief in Christianity that is occurring?

Belief in Christianity has been falling at a rate of about 1% per year since the beginning of the 21st century. Could one problem be that even supposed Christian believers lack certainty in the efficacy of their beliefs?
Seems your focus here is on Christianity, but when it comes to religion in general, the numbers suggest something else to think about...

"A study in 2017 revealed that Islam is the fastest-growing religion. Studies in the 21st century suggest that, in terms of percentage and worldwide spread, Islam is the fastest-growing major religion in the world. A religious forecast for 2050 by Pew Research Center concludes that global Muslim population is expected to grow at a faster rate than the Christian population due primarily to the young age and high fertility-rate of Muslims. Religious conversion has little impact on Muslim population, since the number of people who convert to or leave Islam are roughly equal.

Some religions proselytise vigorously (Christianity and Islam, for example), others (such as Judaism) do not generally encourage conversions into their ranks. Some faiths grow exponentially at first, only for their zeal to wane (note the case of Zoroastrianism). The growth of a religion can clash with factors such as persecution, entrenched rival religions (such as established religions), religious market saturation, and organised militant atheism."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth...%203%20billion.

Not a whole lot to do with the "courage" you mention, or what is truth vs fiction, but despite what seems very slow progress in these regards, I for one believe that "truth is best realized and peace most successfully promoted as more people patiently accept and embrace Man's common reality as revealed, defined and/or revised by science. The movement toward this patience and acceptance very slowly growing from one century to the next is the maturing of Man. His best chance for lasting peace and true understanding of all that exists in the Universe, proven or yet to be proven.

The ignorance and intolerance persists. Much like the ongoing effort to overcome the ills of racism, sexism, xenophobia and homophobia that also still persist today, the effort to overcome these backward ways very slowly and painfully is the progress of Man that each generation represents better than the last."
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Old 09-13-2019, 12:01 PM
 
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Actually, people give reasons to doubt their authenticity on here everyday.

And outside of this forum, as well.

Not to mention many christians believe it is a story with a message, rather than an actual occurrence.
Haven't seen any legit reasons, though. Yes, skeptics will always have silly reasons. But haven't seen any legit ones.
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Old 09-13-2019, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Haven't seen any legit reasons, though. Yes, skeptics will always have silly reasons. But haven't seen any legit ones.
Basically, each side thinks the other side is silly.
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