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I guess what I see is that a written-up sinner's prayer can put the focus on "saying and doing, on my terms" versus actually "repenting and believing, on God's terms". Is there room for the Spirit to work, or are we limiting Him by having a "standard" prayer which we must say? Are we as Christians using it as an easy way out when witnessing, because we don't really have time to spend time with someone and get down to the nitty-gritt.
This is exactly what I was hoping someone would bring up
I am having a hard time understanding all this. Surely you do not think that by merely saying that or any other prayer you will be saved!!!!! If that is the case you just as well throw away your bibles and all that the New Testament says that you must do to be saved!!!!
please tell me then in your words what must I do? Im curious now
please tell me then in your words what must I do? Im curious now
Are you pulling my leg??? I think you already know what the bible says about what you must do to be saved.
To but it briefly ( there is a thunder strom brewing close by and I may have to shut down):
You must hear the Word of God
You must believe the Word of God.
You mustrepent of your sins.
You must confess with your mouth that Jesus is the Son of God.
You must be baptized for the remission of your sins.
You must continue on in the doctrine of Christ, and be faithful until death!
Last edited by Towhee; 04-25-2008 at 03:35 PM..
Reason: corrected spelling
This is what the Church of Christ describes as the "Plan of Salvation" This is from one of many tracts and special NT that my h (who is still a member) has..The links lead you to their interpretations of the scripture listed..
I notice that a lot of people reference "the sinners prayer" , some claim it is all you need for salvation, and by repeating their sinners prayer, (which are s very elegantly thought out, rehearsed and rewritten) you are saved..I may be overlooking something, but I have never come across "The Sinners Prayer" in the bible..Seems that a person who has decided to accept Jesus as his savior should be able, and encouraged, to say his own prayer..God knows what this person is thinking, He has spoken to this person in spirit already and will lovingly accept him in his sincerity even though the person is lost for words..
There is no biblical support for the so-called sinner's prayer. This is something that was developed within the last 50 years. It is not biblical.
Are you pulling my leg??? I think you already know what the bible says about what you must do to be saved.
To but it briefly ( there is a thunder strom brewing close by and I may have to shut down):
You must hear the Word of God
You must believe the Word of God.
You mustrepent of your sins.
You must confess with your mouth that Jesus is the Son of God.
You must be baptized for the remission of your sins.
You must continue on in the doctrine of Christ, and be faithful until death!
no i wasnt, it was a sincere question because I think we differ somewhat on believes buts that okay, Imho they both lead to the same place.
I am having a hard time understanding all this. Surely you do not think that by merely saying that or any other prayer you will be saved!!!!! If that is the case you just as well throw away your bibles and all that the New Testament says that you must do to be saved!!!!
I believe that salvation initially comes from repenting of your sins and acknowledging Jesus as Lord of your life. Like someone earlier on this thread mentioned, at this time, if you were to die, you would be saved.
Then, once the prayer has been prayed, you need to follow up with baptism, and all of the other commandments in the Bible. I agree that you can't just pay lip service by praying a prayer and then not live the life it requires. That would be ridiculous.
We have to remember that the thief on the cross didn't have a chance to get baptised or do any of Christ's other commands, yet he was given a promise, by Christ himself, that he would see paradise.
This is what the Church of Christ describes as the "Plan of Salvation" This is from one of many tracts and special NT that my h (who is still a member) has..The links lead you to their interpretations of the scripture listed..
Explain how the acceptance of what the word says " interpretations".
Those who do not accept what they say are the ones doing the interpretating.
BTW, thanks for posting those links. I trust that it is from a sound congregation. As I have said before , every church of Christ congregation is autnonomous. That means: self- governing. All that remain faithful to the word of God, are true churches of Christ. We do not answer for one another, but we do not fellowship those who are not following the scriptures. There are many that have deviated from the word, sad to say. They have either added to, or took away.
We have to remember that the thief on the cross didn't have a chance to get baptised or do any of Christ's other commands, yet he was given a promise, by Christ himself, that he would see paradise.
The thief on the cross was still under the old law. The new law did not come in to effect until after Jesus died. A testament is never valid until after the death of the testator. Any lawyer can verify that.
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