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Again it is quite interesting to note the difference between the two sets of 10 commandments. The second set is obviously far more dedicated to that goal of allowing consideration of no other god.
11. To emulate His ways—Deuteronomy 28:9
That's a tall order given what most of us have imagined god to be, omnipotent and all, and I suspect the commandments to follow will help give example of how we can emulate God's ways. Interesting to consider in this light too if you ask me...
Thank you, and of course I think we can all relate to the requirement no other god be recognized...I'm no big historian along these lines, but no doubt at the time there was the knowledge that many people of the time and before believed in other gods. Lots of people with alternative notions about other gods, so I suspect there was good reason if not necessity to clear the slate of those gods in order to promote the One, far as the authors of the Bible were concerned anyway. Hardly different from many a dictator who has attempted to make sure no contenders are allowed consideration. Never works too well regardless the source or times however...
Since I am not religious, certainly not a follower of any religion over another, I feel I am better able to consider the reason(s) for these commandments in a bit more objective manner than people who are religious,
be them Christian or non-Christian. Again in the context of the times; while at the same time, for example, there were other gods, religions and notions about such things very different going on in other parts of the world. Probably all of them evolving for similar political reasons too. I'm no historian, but I've read much about these histories. On a less serious note, your comment reminds me of a joke I recently read in the atheist joke thread...Jesus..., "so I was like 'I'm the Son of God," and they were like "no way," and I was like "Yahweh."Please forgive me for passing that one along if anyone doesn't also find it humorous...
you dismiss God and identify as a non-believer.
you dismiss religion. you identify that you are not part of any religion.
you have a posting history that consistently demonstrates your low regard for religion and those who are religious.
this makes you LESS qualified not MORE qualified to understand, discuss, evaluate a body of information that centers on a person's relationship with the Creator.
it's like saying i know nothing about professional football, hockey, basketball, and baseball. in fact i think professional sports is stupid and a waste of time and people who devote their lives to following them are mental midgets. Therefore that means I am more objective and able to consider the relevance of professional sports and why people are sports fans.
see why that doesn't work? i question the purported motive as disingenuous. for the same reason my claimed "objectivity" about professional sports would be utterly disingenuous.
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you dismiss God and identify as a non-believer.
you dismiss religion. you identify that you are not part of any religion.
you have a posting history that consistently demonstrates your low regard for religion and those who are religious.
this makes you LESS qualified not MORE qualified to understand, discuss, evaluate a body of information that centers on a person's relationship with the Creator.
it's like saying i know nothing about professional football, hockey, basketball, and baseball. in fact i think professional sports is stupid and a waste of time and people who devote their lives to following them are mental midgets. Therefore that means I am more objective and able to consider the relevance of professional sports and why people are sports fans.
see why that doesn't work? i question the purported motive as disingenuous. for the same reason my claimed "objectivity" about professional sports would be utterly disingenuous.
So, you know more about sports than you’re letting on?...
Generally speaking for the same reason(s) I have studied religion (and history) most of my adult life...One of those reasons is because many of these writings, holy books, religions have both a direct and indirect influence on all our lives. I've read plenty of history about that sort of thing too, all the way up to present day current events. Why does anyone want to learn about what others believe or do? Should I not attempt to better understand conservative perspective even though I lean liberal for example? Also of course, I can always convert to Judaism.That's why.
no, that is not the case. you can not.
you lack what is needed.
Generally speaking for the same reason(s) I have studied religion (and history) most of my adult life...One of those reasons is because many of these writings, holy books, religions have both a direct and indirect influence on all our lives. I've read plenty of history about that sort of thing too, all the way up to present day current events. Why does anyone want to learn about what others believe or do? Should I not attempt to better understand conservative perspective even though I lean liberal for example? Also of course, I can always convert to Judaism. That's why.
you have mentioned "history" "current events" "government" "leaders" and "politics" as your interest and focus of study. That misses the point entirely what the mitzvot are about: a person's connection to God, a person's relationship with the Creator.
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"Conversion to Judaism is a process governed by Jewish religious law. Conversions are overseen by a religious court, which must be convinced that the convert:
"is sincere
is converting for the right reasons
is converting of their own free will
has a thorough knowledge of Jewish faith and practices
will live an observant Jewish life
because the person believes the faith and culture of the Jewish people is right for them
"the convert must have an overpowering wish to join the Jewish people and share in their destiny, and be committed to loving God and following His wishes as expressed in the Torah. There is no other reason that can enable a person to truly enter the covenant between God and the Jewish people, and do it freely, without reservation, forever, and to the exclusion of all other faiths." https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/relig...nversion.shtml
The posting history of the OP does not demonstrate the above.
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"Conversion to Judaism is a process governed by Jewish religious law. Conversions are overseen by a religious court, which must be convinced that the convert:
"is sincere
is converting for the right reasons
is converting of their own free will has a thorough knowledge of Jewish faith and practices
will live an observant Jewish life
because the person believes the faith and culture of the Jewish people is right for them
"the convert must have an overpowering wish to join the Jewish people and share in their destiny, and be committed to loving God and following His wishes as expressed in the Torah. There is no other reason that can enable a person to truly enter the covenant between God and the Jewish people, and do it freely, without reservation, forever, and to the exclusion of all other faiths." https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/relig...nversion.shtml
The posting history of the OP does not demonstrate the above.
Addressing the bolded above, how would he accomplish this without going through the conversion process?...
Addressing the bolded above, how would he accomplish this without going through the conversion process?...
1. one is not predicated upon the other.
2. whether a person is even accepted to participate in the conversion process is determined by their motivation and reasons for doing so. not based on what they "know" about Judaism.
2. whether a person is even accepted to participate in the conversion process is determined by their motivation and reasons for doing so. not based on what they "know" about Judaism.
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has a thorough knowledge of Jewish faith and practices.
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How is he going to accomplish that without going through the conversion process.
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