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Every child learns all these things without questioning them? Learning things in school are simply beliefs? I think you have a different definition of indoctrination than I do.
Everything is indoctrination. Learning how to brush your teeth, saying the pledge of allegiance, learning to read and write. None of these skills are natural. They are all imposed by society. Perfect example is boot camp for military basic training. Everything you do, say, etc. is programmed to indoctrinate you to follow orders. Same with church. Same with school. Same with work. Same with political affiliations. Same with family. If a child is left in the jungle to be raised by apes, he'd become an ape.
Everything is indoctrination. Learning how to brush your teeth, saying the pledge of allegiance, learning to read and write. None of these skills are natural.
Those who understand logic and wisdom will agree with you wholeheartedly, Bob. But you can't expect the OP to do the same. He only wants to draw people in, and argue pointlessly. You're not going to gain any ground with him, or get through. Everything's locked and shut in his 'home'. Some exist only to argue and stir things up; not accomplish anything useful or productive.
Everything is indoctrination. Learning how to brush your teeth, saying the pledge of allegiance, learning to read and write. None of these skills are natural. They are all imposed by society. Perfect example is boot camp for military basic training. Everything you do, say, etc. is programmed to indoctrinate you to follow orders. Same with church. Same with school. Same with work. Same with political affiliations. Same with family. If a child is left in the jungle to be raised by apes, he'd become an ape.
But you are able to question these things. Why do you brush your teeth? Because if you don't your teeth will rot and fall out. You can't question religion in the same way. And things like brushing your teeth or learning to read and write don't align with an ideology. Everyone does these things regardless.
Those who understand logic and wisdom will agree with you wholeheartedly, Bob. But you can't expect the OP to do the same. He only wants to draw people in, and argue pointlessly. You're not going to gain any ground with him, or get through. Everything's locked and shut in his "home".
Logical people believe in mythical stories? In what world?
But you are able to question these things. Why do you brush your teeth? Because if you don't your teeth will rot and fall out. You can't question religion in the same way. And things like brushing your teeth or learning to read and write don't align with an ideology. Everyone does these things regardless.
Who says you can't question other things? You ask your mom, "why do I brush my teeth?" and she says "because if you don't they will fall out." You skip a day and they don't fall out but she says "it happens in the future, trust me." You look at her mouth -- no missing teeth. She says "That's because I brush them."
Same conversation with mom about religion, "why do I believe/pray/perform ritual/accept ideas?" and she says "because if you don't your soul will fall out." You skip a day of ritual, or harbor a doubt or a rejection, and nothing seems to happen, but she says "it happens in the future, trust me."
There are loads of things we take on faith from our parents, loads of codes of behavior we are indoctrinated into so that we can be functioning members of the various societies which our parents choose for us. And while we question (the school dress code, being a Mets fan, stopping on red, getting vaccinated, being chivalrous), the decisions are made for us and we follow them until we are old enough to reject them and accept the consequences of that rejection.
Of course it is indoctrination. So is NOT raising them in a particular faith. That would be teaching them it's not important. No matter what your worldview is, it's indoctrination.
This may be a rare moment, but I agree with BF. We can argue whether it is good or bad (and I will in a later post), and some words obviously carry more baggage than others, so we can call it what you will.... "exposure, orientation, instillation, inculcation, following suit, modeling, parenting, brainwashing, bringing them up the right way".... but it's still indoctrination, by any other name.
But you are able to question these things. Why do you brush your teeth? Because if you don't your teeth will rot and fall out. You can't question religion in the same way. And things like brushing your teeth or learning to read and write don't align with an ideology. Everyone does these things regardless.
Actually, no. Proper diet and foods maintain teeth healthy and without any damage for lifetime. Living example was my FIL. Man had beautiful white teeth, never saw a dentist, never brushed his teeth. He ate a white onion raw a day though and, firmly believed, that is why his teeth were so perfect. Unfortunately, that was about the only healthy part of him. Yet, all the way till his death in the late 60s of age, that's what it was. Man grew on a farm and natural food life long.
See, your example is just another sample of indoctrination.
I'll bring another example of "natural indoctrination". Mark Moss is one of them money talking heads. In one of his "SHTF" presentations, he speaks of situation, when person lost job and is without means of existence. Verbatim, Mark says - You start living off credit cards and building up your debt.
Then he goes on long this and that, how to deal with debt.
His mind does not even consider other ways - you find another job, any job and, cut on your expenses. His mind does not even consider something like this, as living by debt became such a NORM.
So let me tell you one thing, dear OP. EVERYTHING you ever learned, is indoctrination. Everything is masking net, to hide the Truth. EVERYTHING. All your "sneaky" posts about this and that, are nothing but result of such indoctrination and misguidance. Makes you feel good and original, maybe, but true it is not.
It's hilarious how these threads reveal a certain poster sitting around all weekend thinking of topics to make faith / religion / spirituality look bad, and how they constantly fail. LOL Give it a rest dude.
Everything is indoctrination. Learning how to brush your teeth, saying the pledge of allegiance, learning to read and write. None of these skills are natural. They are all imposed by society. Perfect example is boot camp for military basic training. Everything you do, say, etc. is programmed to indoctrinate you to follow orders. Same with church. Same with school. Same with work. Same with political affiliations. Same with family. If a child is left in the jungle to be raised by apes, he'd become an ape.
Actually, no it's not.
Oxford Dictionary
Quote:
the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.
Brushing your teeth is not a set of beliefs. Neither is learning any other life skill or just plain skill.
We all know very well what indoctrination means.
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I think you have a different definition of indoctrination than I do.
