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Old 05-06-2008, 03:07 PM
 
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda/Volume 5/Notes from Lectures and Discourses/Volume 5/Notes from Lectures and Discourses/On Fanaticism - Wikisource (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Complete_Works_of_Swami_Vivekananda/Volume_5/Notes_from_Lectures_and_Discourses/Volume_5/Notes_from_Lectures_and_Discourses/On_Fanaticism - broken link)

There are fanatics of various kinds. Some people are wine fanatics and cigar fanatics. Some think that if men gave up smoking cigars, the world would arrive at the millennium. Women are generally amongst these fanatics. There was a young lady here one day, in this class. She was one of a number of ladies in Chicago who have built a house where they take in the working people and give them music and gymnastics. One day this young lady was talking about the evils of the world and said she knew the remedy. I asked, "How do you know?" and she answered, "Have you seen Hull House?" In her opinion, this Hull House is the one panacea for all the evils that flesh is heir to. This will grow upon her. I am sorry for her. There are some fanatics in India who think that if a woman could marry again when her husband died, it would cure all evil. This is fanaticism.
When I was a boy I thought that fanaticism was a great element in work, but now, as I grow older, I find out that it is not.


There may be a woman who would steal and make no objection to taking someone else's bag and going away with it. But perhaps that woman does not smoke. She becomes a smoke fanatic, and as soon as she finds a man smoking, she strongly disapproves of him, because he smokes a cigar. There may be a man who goes about cheating people; there is no trusting him; no woman is safe with him. But perhaps this scoundrel does not drink wine. If so, he sees nothing good in anyone who drinks wine. All these wicked things that he himself does are of no consideration. This is only natural human selfishness and one-sidedness.


You must also remember that the world has God to govern it, and He has not left it to our charity. The Lord God is its Governor and Maintainer, and in spite of these wine fanatics and cigar fanatics, and all sorts of marriage fanatics, it would go on. If all these persons were to die, it would go on none the worse.


Do you not remember in your own history how the "Mayflower" people came out here, and began to call themselves Puritans? They were very pure and good as far as they went, until they began to persecute other people; and throughout the history of mankind it has been the same. Even those that run away from persecution indulge in persecuting others as soon as a favourable opportunity to do so occurs.


In ninety cases out of a hundred, fanatics must have bad livers, or they are dyspeptics, or are in some way diseased. By degrees even physicians will find out that fanaticism is a kind of disease. I have seen plenty of it. The Lord save me from it!


My experience comes to this, that it is rather wise to avoid all sorts of fanatical reforms. This world is slowly going on; let it go slowly. Why are you in a hurry? Sleep well and keep your nerves in good order; eat right food, and have sympathy with the world. Fanatics only make hatred. Do you mean to say that the temperance fanatic loves these poor people who become drunkards? A fanatic is a fanatic simply because he expects to get something for himself in return. As soon as the battle is over, he goes for the spoil. When you come out of the company of fanatics you may learn how really to love and sympathise. And the more you attain of love and sympathy, the less will be your power to condemn these poor creatures; rather you will sympathise with their faults. It will become possible for you to sympathise with the drunkard and to know that he is also a man like yourself. You will then try to understand the many circumstances that are dragging him down, and feel that if you had been in his place you would perhaps have committed suicide. I remember a woman whose husband was a great drunkard, and she complained to me of his becoming so. I replied, "Madam, if there were twenty millions of wives like yourself, all husbands would become drunkards." I am convinced that a large number of drunkards are manufactured by their wives. My business is to tell the truth and not to flatter anyone. These unruly women from whose minds the words bear and forbear are gone for ever, and whose false ideas of independence lead them to think that men should be at their feet, and who begin to howl as soon as men dare to say anything to them which they do not like — such women are becoming the bane of the world, and it is a wonder that they do not drive half the men in it to commit suicide. In this way things should not go on. Life is not so easy as they believe it to be; it is a more serious business!


A man must not only have faith but intellectual faith too. To make a man take up everything and believe it, would be to make him a lunatic. I once had a book sent me, which said I must believe everything told in it. It said there was no soul, but that there were gods and goddesses in heaven, and a thread of light going from each of our heads to heaven! How did the writer know all these things? She had been inspired, and wanted me to believe it too; and because I refused, she said, "You must be a very bad man; there is no hope for you!" This is fanaticism.
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Old 05-07-2008, 01:07 PM
 
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The Swami sure seems to dislike women!
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Old 05-07-2008, 01:10 PM
 
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The Swami sure seems to dislike women!
I Agree, after reading it carefuly but keep in mind that this speech was given in the beginning of the 20th century so the mindset has changed a lot since those times (specially in India), however I believe that his statements regarding fanaticism are correct
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Old 05-07-2008, 01:15 PM
 
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I Agree, after reading it carefuly but keep in mind that this speech was given in the beginning of the 20th century so the mindset has changed a lot since those times (specially in India), however I believe that his statements regarding fanaticism are correct
Yeah - it's kind of hard for me to get past all of that blame that the Swami places on women because I don't think that is true or fair, but I like the message about fanatacism itself. I'm all for the middle path.
I especially like the part about the Mayflower people.
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Old 10-22-2009, 12:36 PM
 
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Swami never disliked women nor did he degraded them... Most of the finest speeches he has delivered on Indian women and US women. He just told the fact what he saw from that perticular situation. Had it been a man also same thing applies. i.e. as a ground rule a man to be chaste her woman should adhere to chaste and vice versa. This itself a simple statement but great deal of practice is required to realize it.
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Old 11-26-2009, 08:51 PM
 
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Does a man become a drunkard just because his wife tortured him....? It is only an oppurtunist who who thinks that way. That man could have thought more constructively and stayed away drinking..
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Old 11-27-2009, 07:21 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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The Swami sure seems to dislike women!
Indeed, he could see everyone's fanaticism and mock it, but not his own. (sits back and waits for mine to be pointed out to me.)
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