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Plato and Aristotle, Jesus, Buddha, Yangnyavakya. Their thoughts are still valued. Its value may depend on what you value and your mental limitations.
Seems we're talking "apples and oranges" again...
Or maybe something more like bricks and figs, I don't know, but I'm simply referring to the OBVIOUS differences between what went on over 2,000 years ago as compared to today. Having nothing to do with what you are referring to here.
To make it as simple as I can think to put it, compare what medicine and medical practice was prevalent over 2,000 years ago as compared to today. Again for example. Put your Plato hat on and tell me you don't understand how these differences are not only very significant but quite consequential when it comes to what we were thinking then as compared to what we think today. Please have mercy...
Both ukrkoz and cb2008 are defending the musings and speculations of highly intelligent esoteric thinkers from ages past that resonate with them despite their obvious flaws from a lack of valid knowledge of Reality. Because of my experiences, I waded through most of it before finding its obvious flaws through science and philosophy.
It is too bad you did not attain epiphany after all that wading. It is only esoteric if you don't understand it. Scientists and philosophers who understand more than you do keep going back to the wisdom of the sages and finding new inspiration for their work.
Or maybe something more like bricks and figs, I don't know, but I'm simply referring to the OBVIOUS differences between what went on over 2,000 years ago as compared to today. Having nothing to do with what you are referring to here.
To make it as simple as I can think to put it, compare what medicine and medical practice was prevalent over 2,000 years ago as compared to today. Again for example. Put your Plato hat on and tell me you don't understand how these differences are not only very significant but quite consequential when it comes to what we were thinking then as compared to what we think today. Please have mercy...
Learnme, please keep learning. Don't give up. Stretch past dictionaries.
It is too bad you did not attain epiphany after all that wading. It is only esoteric if you don't understand it. Scientists and philosophers who understand more than you do keep going back to the wisdom of the sages and finding new inspiration for their work.
You seem unable to recognize that I have already used their inspiration to understand what I have. You are the denialist just like the religious, insisting on retaining the ancient ignorance as truth.
You seem unable to recognize that I have already used their inspiration to understand what I have. You are the denialist just like the religious, insisting on retaining the ancient ignorance as truth.
Well, you went wrong somewhere, buddy. Your attempt to somehow insert Jesus into this one man religion you have founded, while denigrating the wisdom of sages, is not working for you. It could be karma from disrespecting ancient wisdom, while standing on their shoulders. It has led you astray, so angry and torn.
Well, you went wrong somewhere, buddy. Your attempt to somehow insert Jesus into this one man religion you have founded, while denigrating the wisdom of sages, is not working for you. It could be karma from disrespecting ancient wisdom, while standing on their shoulders. It has led you astray, so angry and torn.
Lest we forget, the Jesus who has been inserted isn't the Jesus of the Gospels either, who is the only historical Jesus we have. He was a complex and not easily pigeonholed sage. That Jesus, in Mystic's theology, is largely a fiction crafted by our primitive and barbaric ancient ancestors.
Are there even spiritual giants and sages alive today? It seems to me that the worship of science and the scientific method has resulted in vast spiritual regression. The notion that science is advancing mankind toward Truth is a dangerous illusion. It is advancing us toward "truth" with a very small t, but not toward Truth.
Are there even spiritual giants and sages alive today? It seems to me that the worship of science and the scientific method has resulted in vast spiritual regression. The notion that science is advancing mankind toward Truth is a dangerous illusion. It is advancing us toward "truth" with a very small t, but not toward Truth.
This would definitely make a good subject for its own thread. Excellent question.
Are there even spiritual giants and sages alive today? It seems to me that the worship of science and the scientific method has resulted in vast spiritual regression. The notion that science is advancing mankind toward Truth is a dangerous illusion. It is advancing us toward "truth" with a very small t, but not toward Truth.
I believe the wisdom of the sages is within us, in our bodies and mind. It is what impels us towards seeking for that something that is more than what we understand as our life and world. Science seems to only confirm what we already sense. It is a great loss that scientific inquiry has sidelined the western tradition of philosophy, although it still exists. Philosophy, vedanta, ancient wisdom are all very much part of existence in in the rest of the world. Not that our minds are divided as east and west, the knowledge within is universal. It needs to be sought.
English alone is inadequate to understand the full import of texts that carry the ancient wisdom in Sanskrit, Arabic, Hebrew, Aramic and other means of communication. It is folly to think otherwise. Same foolishness as thinking that all meaning is dictated by a single dictionary or by Google.
Lest we forget, the Jesus who has been inserted isn't the Jesus of the Gospels either, who is the only historical Jesus we have. He was a complex and not easily pigeonholed sage. That Jesus, in Mystic's theology, is largely a fiction crafted by our primitive and barbaric ancient ancestors.
Are there even spiritual giants and sages alive today? It seems to me that the worship of science and the scientific method has resulted in vast spiritual regression. The notion that science is advancing mankind toward Truth is a dangerous illusion. It is advancing us toward "truth" with a very small t, but not toward Truth.
you don't get it. Most scientist don't care if there is or is not a god. Some would stand to make a ton of money if they proved a deity. A living universe is possible. A thinking universe is possible. A deity is clearly less likely than either.
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