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It is in the story, when he killed the Egyptian, and when the two Israelites whose argument he tried to end came at him with that, he went out into the wilderness. It was in the heart of Moses, to see the Israelites freed.
I regard it as a false human / spiritual, physical / supernatural dichotomy and a false choice.
I am a human having a human experience, because that's what humans do. This is a perfect example of begging the question by framing it as if there are not other possibilities.
Here is my understanding of this, if you don't mind.
OP question is obviously logically flawed.
Both begin the question and false dichotomy fallacies are there.
False dichotomy has to do, as you noted, with framing it as if there are no other possibilities.
The correct framing would be Are we spiritual beings n having a temporary human experience or are we not?
Direct logical negation without involving additional possibility which is not necessarily exhaustive.
Begging the question is different.
Begging the question is what makes this question a loaded question.
Just like classic loaded question "When did you stop beating your wife?" legitimizes an unproven assumption that wife has ever got beaten in a first place, OP presents "spiritual beings" as a legitimate existing choice, makes "spiritual beings" into something real, which he cannot do without showing first that whatever he calls "spiritual beings having a temporary human experience" is something actually existing and not just a feeble of his imagination.
Here is my understanding of this, if you don't mind.
OP question is obviously logically flawed.
Both begin the question and false dichotomy fallacies are there.
False dichotomy has to do, as you noted, with framing it as if there are no other possibilities.
The correct framing would be Are we spiritual beings n having a temporary human experience or are we not?
Direct logical negation without involving additional possibility which is not necessarily exhaustive.
Begging the question is different.
Begging the question is what makes this question a loaded question.
Just like classic loaded question "When did you stop beating your wife?" legitimizes an unproven assumption that wife has ever got beaten in a first place, OP presents "spiritual beings" as a legitimate existing choice, makes "spiritual beings" into something real, which he cannot do without showing first that whatever he calls "spiritual beings having a temporary human experience" is something actually existing and not just a feeble of his imagination.
A spiritual being may be defined as one that is eternal, pure existence. Human being is a finite existence, bound to die from the day it is born.
A spiritual being that has forgotten its true nature of eternal existence is a human being that may experience a spiritual existence. Or may not.
It should be evident to everyone here online that they are actually using the "composite resonant neural synaptic activity at the level of quanta" in their brain to respond to these posts. That composite "thinker" is a spiritual being, NOT a physical being. When we had little knowledge of the difference between energy manifestations at the macro level and those at the level of quanta, we had an excuse for thinking we were just physical beings.
We should no longer have that excuse. None of your physical self is doing any of the "thinking" that produces the responses you transfer to your fingers and the computer. It exists at the level of quanta and that is beyond the macro level of physical beings. Of course, I realize that it is not remotely obvious or evident to most of you, but it should be, IMO! The quantum level of existence is the Spiritual level of being and it is beyond our sensory system capabilities.
It should be evident to everyone here online that they are actually using the "composite resonant neural synaptic activity at the level of quanta" in their brain to respond to these posts. That composite "thinker" is a spiritual being, NOT a physical being. When we had little knowledge of the difference between energy manifestations at the macro level and those at the level of quanta, we had an excuse for thinking we were just physical beings.
We should no longer have that excuse. None of your physical self is doing any of the "thinking" that produces the responses you transfer to your fingers and the computer. It exists at the level of quanta and that is beyond the macro level of physical beings. Of course, I realize that it is not remotely obvious or evident to most of you, but it should be, IMO! The quantum level of existence is the Spiritual level of being and it is beyond our sensory system capabilities.
i have to say i love the first line of that post! but of course !!!
you are totally rocking it Mystic !!!!! this is one of my favorite posts in a long time.
A spiritual being may be defined as one that is eternal, pure existence. Human being is a finite existence, bound to die from the day it is born.
A spiritual being that has forgotten its true nature of eternal existence is a human being that may experience a spiritual existence. Or may not.
Of course "spiritual being" may be defined. Anything may be defined.
That can be done.
What cannot be done is to define something into actual existence.
And this is, I'm afraid, what you are trying to do.
Sort of like if definition is provided then it must be real.
Sorry, it does not work this way.
Spiritual being with aforementioned properties needs to demonstrated first, and then we all, together can go about developing the most appropriate definition for it.
Of course "spiritual being" maybe defined. Anything may be defined.
That can be done.
What cannot be done is to define something into actual existence.
And this is, I'm afraid, what you are trying to do.
Sort of like if definition is provided then it must be real.
Sorry, it does not work this way.
Spiritual being with aforementioned properties needs to demonstrated first, and then we all, together can go about developing the most appropriate definition for it.
This has to be one of the most astute posts on this forum anytime recently. Bravo :-)
If I had a nickel for every time a theist tried to define something into existence, I'd be rich as Croesus.
It should be evident to everyone here online that they are actually using the "composite resonant neural synaptic activity at the level of quanta" in their brain to respond to these posts. That composite "thinker" is a spiritual being, NOT a physical being. When we had little knowledge of the difference between energy manifestations at the macro level and those at the level of quanta, we had an excuse for thinking we were just physical beings.
We should no longer have that excuse. None of your physical self is doing any of the "thinking" that produces the responses you transfer to your fingers and the computer. It exists at the level of quanta and that is beyond the macro level of physical beings. Of course, I realize that it is not remotely obvious or evident to most of you, but it should be, IMO! The quantum level of existence is the Spiritual level of being and it is beyond our sensory system capabilities.
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel
i have to say i love the first line of that post! but of course !!!
you are totally rocking it Mystic !!!!! this is one of my favorite posts in a long time.
This response has become one of my favorites from you Tzaph, although I suspect it will not be equally appreciated by others here.
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