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Old 04-16-2023, 09:43 AM
 
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https://www.prri.org/research/2020-c...ican-religion/
Jehovah’s Witnesses are a sliver of minority, about the same size as Jewish, Muslims, and Hindus.
I find it interesting that the religion believes in Heaven, but not Hell.

I did not know that both Williams sisters were raised as Jehova’s Witnesses (JW) and practice the religion. I love both these women.
As was Prince when he died. Several famous Americans from the Black community are practicing or converted to JW.
President Eisehower - JW. Who knew! He left the religion as an adult.
https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-j...elebrity-lists
A higher percentage of Black and Hispanic people are JW. Often they are also anti-gay, and conservative.
There are positive and negatives aspects of all religions, just like the people who are part of it.
I would be interested in knowing what those who practice the religion find find positive about it, what makes it right for them, how does it help their spirituality.
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Old 04-16-2023, 10:16 AM
 
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https://www.prri.org/research/2020-c...ican-religion/
Jehovah’s Witnesses are a sliver of minority, about the same size as Jewish, Muslims, and Hindus.
I find it interesting that the religion believes in Heaven, but not Hell.

I did not know that both Williams sisters were raised as Jehova’s Witnesses (JW) and practice the religion. I love both these women.
As was Prince when he died. Several famous Americans from the Black community are practicing or converted to JW.
President Eisehower - JW. Who knew! He left the religion as an adult.
https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-j...elebrity-lists
A higher percentage of Black and Hispanic people are JW. Often they are also anti-gay, and conservative.
There are positive and negatives aspects of all religions, just like the people who are part of it.
I would be interested in knowing what those who practice the religion find find positive about it, what makes it right for them, how does it help their spirituality.
I think you're overstating it. Suggest you read page 156 of this: https://www.kshs.org/publicat/histor...mn_bergman.pdf
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Old 04-16-2023, 04:39 PM
 
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I think you're overstating it. Suggest you read page 156 of this: https://www.kshs.org/publicat/histor...mn_bergman.pdf
It would seem so, although I never knew the Eisenhower family had any connection to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, so I’m pleased to have learned something new today.

I did know his family were members of the River Brethren, an Anabaptist sect. Based on Eisenhower’s military career, dating back to his college days at West Point, it seems neither faith left much of a mark as far as pacifism is concerned.

It seems that Eisenhower had a sense of spirituality and respect for a broad spectrum of religious beliefs. But he was not much for organized religion itself. He wasn’t baptized until 1953, when he formally joined his wife’s faith, Presbyterianism.

I’ve had some pleasant (faith-centric) conversations with Jehovah’s Witnesses when out-and-about. Whenever I mention being Jewish, they’ve been perfectly respectful. Perhaps they’d sing a different tune if I said I was also atheist. That’s a concept many non-Jews unfamiliar with Jewish culture just can’t wrap their head around.
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Old 04-16-2023, 05:53 PM
 
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It would seem so, although I never knew the Eisenhower family had any connection to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, so I’m pleased to have learned something new today.

I did know his family were members of the River Brethren, an Anabaptist sect. Based on Eisenhower’s military career, dating back to his college days at West Point, it seems neither faith left much of a mark as far as pacifism is concerned.

It seems that Eisenhower had a sense of spirituality and respect for a broad spectrum of religious beliefs. But he was not much for organized religion itself. He wasn’t baptized until 1953, when he formally joined his wife’s faith, Presbyterianism.

I’ve had some pleasant (faith-centric) conversations with Jehovah’s Witnesses when out-and-about. Whenever I mention being Jewish, they’ve been perfectly respectful. Perhaps they’d sing a different tune if I said I was also atheist. That’s a concept many non-Jews unfamiliar with Jewish culture just can’t wrap their head around.
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. On July 30, 1956, two years after pushing to have the phrase “under God” inserted into the pledge of allegiance, President Dwight D. Eisenhower signs a law officially declaring “In God We Trust” to be the nation’s official motto.
It was a Godless nation until then, and without a motto.
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Old 04-16-2023, 06:00 PM
 
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It was a Godless nation until then, and without a motto.
Wrong again. E pluribus unum predated it. It's on the Great Seal Of The United States.

A motto isn't what makes a group of people godless or...godful (?).
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Old 04-16-2023, 06:55 PM
 
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It would seem so, although I never knew the Eisenhower family had any connection to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, so I’m pleased to have learned something new today.

I did know his family were members of the River Brethren, an Anabaptist sect. Based on Eisenhower’s military career, dating back to his college days at West Point, it seems neither faith left much of a mark as far as pacifism is concerned.

It seems that Eisenhower had a sense of spirituality and respect for a broad spectrum of religious beliefs. But he was not much for organized religion itself. He wasn’t baptized until 1953, when he formally joined his wife’s faith, Presbyterianism.

I’ve had some pleasant (faith-centric) conversations with Jehovah’s Witnesses when out-and-about. Whenever I mention being Jewish, they’ve been perfectly respectful. Perhaps they’d sing a different tune if I said I was also atheist. That’s a concept many non-Jews unfamiliar with Jewish culture just can’t wrap their head around.
Huh, a Jewish atheist. I can't wrap my head around it. You're right. Well....maybe it's like me being Irish but not Catholic. I'm an Irish atheist. Or a former Christian Irish atheist. Nah, remove the labels. We're just regular ol' atheists.
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Old 04-16-2023, 07:22 PM
 
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Huh, a Jewish atheist. I can't wrap my head around it. You're right. Well....maybe it's like me being Irish but not Catholic. I'm an Irish atheist. Or a former Christian Irish atheist. Nah, remove the labels. We're just regular ol' atheists.
Read the Wikipedia article, and you’ll get a better idea.
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Old 04-16-2023, 11:59 PM
 
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Wrong again. E pluribus unum predated it. It's on the Great Seal Of The United States.

A motto isn't what makes a group of people godless or...godful (?).
Regardless, Ike declared it as the nation’s motto. Per the link.
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Old 04-17-2023, 12:10 AM
 
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Regardless, Ike declared it as the nation’s motto. Per the link.
Regardless, the nation didn't become a christian nation on the day Ike declared it. From the day before it was declared to the day after it was declared, religious life in American went on as it had been. Except, perhaps, for the religiously infatuated.
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Old 04-17-2023, 05:33 AM
 
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Regardless, the nation didn't become a christian nation on the day Ike declared it. From the day before it was declared to the day after it was declared, religious life in American went on as it had been. Except, perhaps, for the religiously infatuated.
Yep ... the US wasn't a christian because Ike, fundamentalists, Congress or any other person or group said it was. What does that even mean? Any idiot knows that the predominant religion in the US is Christianity, and always has been. It's just stating the obvious, rather like a white supremacist pointing out that we're a white nation.

What's more to the point is that the US is a pluralistic democracy that, at least on paper, has freedom of religion for all, not just for Christians -- and including the areligious, including atheists. And Christians ought to be humble and honorable and mature enough to live with that diversity without being threatened by it.
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