homosexuality really a choice? (soul, Jews, sunday, scriptures)
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That places God with all his mightiness and foreknowledge and choice of action as the ultimate bearer of responsibility: he creates us the way we are to do whatever it is that we end up doing. If he didn't want human follies he wouldn't have created us.
He created us with the ability to make a choice and He honors that choice.
First of all, i didn't say that it was just about lust and sex. The sin comes from the lust and sex with the same sex. I think that all people are capable of love, there are just degrees of love and if there are acts of weakness and sin in any relationship, Man and Woman or Homosexual, that love is compromised.
I don't doubt you love them, your just not setting a good example according to the word of God.
Of your idea of God. Very important qualifier. Shouldn't be omitted.
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You took my statement according to your own understanding, it is not meant to offend, although your lifestyle choices are offensive to the majority of Americans.
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Marriage between a Man and Woman is nothing like two men choosing to be together. It is not anywhere close to the same.
He created us with the ability to make a choice and He honors that choice.
According to your earlier post he created us knowing what our choices will be so it's not that he is honoring our choice- he's rubber stamping it by willfully allowing it to happen, creating this whole world to have the foreknown outcomes if it's created in the way that he created it. The buck of responsibility still stops with the omni-creator.
Grow up, knowing right from wrong is not Hate, that little buzz word is just plain ignorance to morality.
But who are you to decide what's right and wrong? Or what's moral? What two consenting adults do with each other is nobody's business, and they shouldn't be made to feel ashamed because of some ancient book.
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I don't need the bible to know that two men having sex is wrong.
What's "wrong" about it? And would you feel the same way if the Bible didn't tell you it's "wrong"?
To all of the homosexuals who have posted on this thread..I mostly stay away from these threads for the simple reason of the condemnation I see from the christian/believers towards you..Many of these threads become so full of hate and anger, that I seldom post in them any more..This thread has run the gamut of everything..Scranbarre's post touched me so much, because he so elequantly described the pain, the heartache and the hate you face everytime you reveal your lifestyle or they find out otherwise. I don't know why God allows some people to be born homosexuals, any more than I know why he allows babies to be born with spina bifida or to be born with the addictions of their mothers..I believe God has a reason that our human mind will never understand on this side of heaven why some people are born homosexuals..Is it to make us show real christian love,and tolerance, I don't know..I do know that for myself I am not the judge as long as I am imperfect..What business is it of mine about someones very personal life..There are too many wars, too many people starving, too many children being abused to focus on the love life of the homosexuals or anyone else for that matter..I focus on the persons kindness, his love for his children, his contribution to society..God wants people to let their light shine, yet I have seen so many homosexuals have their lights dimmed or put out by society, and yes some of their christian brothers and sisters..I think a good exercise for any christian to do before they begin condemning homosexuals is to spend some time reflecting on their own sins and searching for bible verses for their own good..
Christians say that all gay people are going to Hell. That says that homosexuality is a choice.
There's a really easy way to understand whether it's a choice.
If you're straight, ask yourself: Do you think you could wake up tomorrow and choose to be attracted to someone of the same sex?
If you say no, you have your answer.
When you think about all of the hatred and bigotry gay people have to put up with, you have to think that most of them wouldn't freely CHOOSE to live in a way that makes them the target of constant ridicule and prejudice.
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What an ancient book says is completely irrelevant. The same book of the Bible that calls homosexuality an abomination also says shellfish are an abomination. I don't see Christians picketing outside Red Lobster and condeming people to hell for eating a lobster tail. People are just picking and choosing to feel more comfortable in their own prejudices.
Correction, it is NOT ok to live out your desires if you're straight. This is called self control. Too many people think they can go around acting out their fantasies with no regard to the consequences. I think if everyone learned how to control their "hungers and desires" the world would be a better place. For instance, every month I fast for 24 hours. No food no drink. What I have found is that by doing this I get closer to my Heavenly Father and I have learned to resist all sorts of temptations. It makes me stronger. We CAN live a righteous life. Straight, gay, etc.
Just my .02
If your a straight person though, you are still able to live the lifestyle of a straight person and fulfill the desires that make that so. If someone's straight they have the legal right to get married etc. They can fulfill those desires without living a hedonistic and detrimental lifestyle. If someone's homosexual though, then they're prevented from having those basic rights which often let someone fulfill those basic desires.
I'm gay. If given the choice I would gladly trade my life's savings in order to be made heterosexual. I'm literally a straight man living within a gay man's body. I enjoy sports, working out, volunteering, and my faith, but at the same time I've been in a very loving long-term relationship with a member of the same gender, much to the chagrin of my rather socially conservative family. In high school I broke the hearts of two girls as I tried to "change" my orientation by dating them. I've prayed, begged, and cried. Still I'm just as attracted to members of the same sex as ever. What else is left to do? At age 21 should I just remain both single and celibate the rest of my life and hope that God forgives me for engaging in Biblically-illicit sexual activities from age 16-21?
I see a whole lot of judgment from many so-called "Christians" in this thread, but I don't see a single one of you doing the TRUE Christian thing by telling us how we homosexuals can be saved through Christ. Saying "don't be gay or you'll go to hell" might make yourself feel all high and mighty, but it makes people like me feel very depressed---suicidal as a matter of fact. I would gladly swallow the "Gay-B-Gone" pill if and when it is ever developed, but what if it never is? I can resist temptation the rest of my life and die crying every night alone, but what if I'm wrong and the afterlife is not at all like we anticipated it would be, if there's even an afterlife at all?
I'm tiring of crying myself to sleep all the time from feeling so confused about my life. My attraction for males is as inherent to who I am as the attraction my heterosexual male peers have for females. I'm quite certain there would be no way that they could be forced to "turn gay," so what makes them so sure that I can "turn straight?"
Instead of nastily posting scripture in order to make fun of us, why don't some of you so-called Christians make yourselves useful for a change and tell people like me just what it is we are supposed to do in order to make us worthy of salvation? I've investigated those creepy Southern conversion camps and have deduced that they simply aren't effective. Praying hasn't worked, nor has asking others to pray for me to be changed. Crying hasn't worked. Dating women hasn't worked. Watching straight porn hasn't worked. What WILL work?
I've said this in your blog already but I'll say it again.
NO Scranbarre, and as for all of you other Christians here, you understand NOTHING about love if you think gay people are condemned to hell, nothing. Love is something greater than any mind, except for God's, can comprehend, for God himself is Love, don't you all agree? So because God is Love, doesn't that make any kind of love equal? No matter what type, whether Heterosexual or Homosexual, love is love no matter what.
1 Corinthians 13: 4-7
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
So, if Homosexuality is an abomination, why then does love seem to approve of it? If you think Homosexuals are going to Hell and you hate them than what makes you any better than the Westboro Church Members? God is Love, and no one can measure his understanding. and do you remember what Jesus said? "Love each other as I have loved you" so is Jesus' love and forgiveness to good for gay people WELL?! NO!!
ScranBarre, please I don't want to lose you, you are practically my best friend.
Last edited by Raphael07; 06-17-2008 at 09:37 PM..
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