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Old 07-01-2008, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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Originally Posted by rubyskye View Post
For the young man that's about to blow his brains out for the shame and confusion and self-hatred he feels because of his sexual orientation (due to the trip "Christians" have laid on him), i'd say it just may be on the top of Jesus' list of things to address.
The suffering that has been inflicted upon others for centuries by misguided so-called Christians (in the name of "God" and Jesus!!!) is an abomination ... it is against Christ .... it is against life .... it is (the?) anti-Christ.
There has been a great perversion and inversion. Very tragic.
I have not laid a trip on anyone, so if a young man was about to blow his brains out for the shame and confusion and self-hatred he feels, then Jesus telling me homosexuality isn't a sin, isn't going to help him much. Maybe Jesus should go to him and tell him that it's not a sin so he won't have to feel ashamed about it.

See what you fail to understand is I’m not prejudiced. I don’t have any hatred for anyone. I have enough common sense to know that being homosexual doesn’t make you a “bad” person. My only feeling toward homosexuality is that they won’t get into Heaven if they continue to practice it; just like I won’t if I continue to fornicate. Do I go and stand outside of gay churches and yell at them they’re going to burn in Hell? No, because that’s not my place.

The tragic thing here is that you are picking and choosing which parts of my statements to answer - probably the same way people pick and choose which of God's commandments apply to their lives. You were the one who stated you didn't believe my reason for not watching Brokeback mountain - but then when I asked you what you believed it was, you chose not to answer. You said if Jesus was to come tell me homosexuality isn’t a sin I’d have a hard time getting over my issues; I told you I don’t have any issues. You didn’t address any of that; instead you bring up a young man contemplating suicide which had nothing to do with anything I said. If you're not going to address my statements, then why quote them?

 
Old 07-01-2008, 07:42 AM
 
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Are you casting in your "stone"....
What did Jesus say to her after he confronted people about casting the first stone? His display was not one of accepting sin or tolerating it, but showing how we are hypocrites to issue judgment on the "person" for their sins.

Nobody is calling for homosexuals to be put to death. Nobody is saying we should punish them. That would be judging the person. We judge the sin according to God's word. The sin is wrong, the person can be saved if they stray away from it.

Christ said "go and sin no more". Tolerance of sin was not Christs message, he never tolerated sin.
 
Old 07-01-2008, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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So..no compassion for those NOT struggling with homosexuality??? All though I am a lesbian...I'm not struggling my dear. I thank God everyday for making me the person I am...caring, compassionate, loving..what more could I ask for. You should pray for the same. I carry no hate.. for any of God's children.
Amen sister! I have no struggle with my homosexuality either. Doing quite well with it, actually!
 
Old 07-01-2008, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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Those who claim it is not a sin do so by insinuation, by wildly deranged logic and by ignoring context. Its not the same thing, but then arguing this with someone whose obvious intent is much like those who attempt to defame the word for their personal motives is pointless. You don't answer to the scripture, it is obvious otherwise you would deal with it.

And I say the exact same thing back to you. If there is a god to answer to, I'd hate to be on your side.
 
Old 07-01-2008, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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And I say the exact same thing back to you. If there is a god to answer to, I'd hate to be on your side.
That doesn't make any sense, nomander agrees with the word of God.

godspeed,

freedom
 
Old 07-01-2008, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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Never questioned your salvation, we were discussing homosexuality and one churches acceptance of it, meaning it's okay and not a sin, to that i don't agree.

I am sorry if i'm not able to communicate effectively. I truly don't condemn you, nor have the right to.
There are plenty of other stumbling blocks to address, i have plenty to move out of my path as well.

godspeed,

freedom
What's a sin and what isn't depends on your brand of Christianity, interpretation of the Bible, and how extreme/literal you want to get with it. Catholics believe using birth control is a sin, yet I don't hear them preaching at and condemning Protestants who believe otherwise. The anti-gay Christians just don't seem capable of a "live and let live" attitude on the subject.
 
Old 07-01-2008, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Stewartsville, NJ
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What's a sin and what isn't depends on your brand of Christianity, interpretation of the Bible, and how extreme/literal you want to get with it. Catholics believe using birth control is a sin, yet I don't hear them preaching at and condemning Protestants who believe otherwise. The anti-gay Christians just don't seem capable of a "live and let live" attitude on the subject.
Exactly Denver! If you don't agree with homosexuality then don't try it! : )
 
Old 07-01-2008, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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What's a sin and what isn't depends on your brand of Christianity, interpretation of the Bible, and how extreme/literal you want to get with it. Catholics believe using birth control is a sin, yet I don't hear them preaching at and condemning Protestants who believe otherwise. The anti-gay Christians just don't seem capable of a "live and let live" attitude on the subject.
See my thing with that is that anti-gay Christians condemn homosexuals and by doing so they aren't following Christ's example. If anything they should welcome them and pray for them.

IMO homosexuality a sin but it's not my job to condemn anyone. I had a baby out of wedlock; having sex was the sin - the baby was not.

So I condemn the act, but not the person.
 
Old 07-01-2008, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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What's a sin and what isn't depends on your brand of Christianity, interpretation of the Bible, and how extreme/literal you want to get with it. Catholics believe using birth control is a sin, yet I don't hear them preaching at and condemning Protestants who believe otherwise. The anti-gay Christians just don't seem capable of a "live and let live" attitude on the subject.
That's simply false in regards to myself. We all have freedom to live as we wish, we just need to know the consequences of how we are living. Discussing opinions of what one believes does not infringe on free choice.

Any one that wants to have gay sex is free to do so. They live and let live.
It doesn't make it the right choice in God's eyes. That is the difference.

If someone wants to teach that God says it's not a sin, then i have an issue with it, other than that...people do what they want to do.

godspeed,

freedom
 
Old 07-01-2008, 10:21 AM
 
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Do you eat shellfish, or wear cotton/poly blends?
Mark 7:18
And he saith unto him "Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

Mark 7:19
Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?"

Mark 7:20
And he said, "That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man."
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