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Old 10-12-2009, 11:24 PM
 
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I know what the word "Bible" means.

However, its meaning in todays English language generally means the holy book that is the "word of God" and the spiritual book that Christians follow as their rule book.

Jews had a book of stories yes, its called the Torah, I'm sure you know that.

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You need an education on what "Bible", meant to the early Church, and what "Bible" meant to Paul, and what "sacred" writings meant to believing Jews of all the age, from before "Moses", and after Moses.
To believe that the Holy spirit waited nearly four hundred years to "ratify" a list of books for His people is the heighth of foolishness.
And for Protestants to believe that the Holy spirit changed His mind in the late 1800's, when they dropped the Apocrypha from their "list" by the decree of the -then- archbishop of Canterbury, is even more folly.
It's all politics -and nothing but politics; and the born again in Christ, Moses following, Jewish Abysynnians did not buy it, and they kept Enoch in their list of "collection of sacred books".
The "list" was made four hundred years after the NT Church was founded, and made by fallible men, who had no idea what the Message was, anymore, because they had need to be taught the abc's -first principles -of the Living Oracles; which oracles were committed only to the namesake people of the New Man name, as His dress rehearsals of the Person and work of YHWH, who was to come in flesh.

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Hbr 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles[/abc's] of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bible
Main Entry: bi·ble
Pronunciation: \ˈbī-bəl\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Medieval Latin biblia, from Greek, plural of biblion book, diminutive of byblos papyrus, book, from Byblos, ancient Phoenician city from which papyrus was exported
To claim that the Jews and Christians had "no books" until four hundred years after the NT Church was founded is foolish andgoes against the Truth.

Also, there are "books" written in heaven, by YHWH the Word, and Enoch read them there. they are written for the angels to read and know what will befall the sons of Adam, from the beginning to the end.

Daniel 10:21 make mention of those "books" written in heaven which the angels read -and uphold the will of YHWH written there.

Daniel 10:21 - what it really states; [SIZE=1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=1][/SIZE]But [I will] shew [thee that which is] noted/written/inscribed [in the] scripture of truth:: one/echad binds [with me in these things] ,Michael your prince. The angel proceeded to show Daniel what was written in the Scripture of Truth -in heaven- about his people, which would happen to them from then to the end, and that is the record Daniel wrote in chapters 11 and 12. First, it was "written in heaven".Michael and that angel "bound" the powers [evil principalities in the heavenlies of earth] to that Word of Truth written in heaven.
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Old 10-13-2009, 05:27 AM
 
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You need an education on what "Bible", meant to the early Church, and what "Bible" meant to Paul, and what "sacred" writings meant to believing Jews of all the age, from before "Moses", and after Moses.
To believe that the Holy spirit waited nearly four hundred years to "ratify" a list of books for His people is the heighth of foolishness.
And for Protestants to believe that the Holy spirit changed His mind in the late 1800's, when they dropped the Apocrypha from their "list" by the decree of the -then- archbishop of Canterbury, is even more folly.
It's all politics -and nothing but politics; and the born again in Christ, Moses following, Jewish Abysynnians did not buy it, and they kept Enoch in their list of "collection of sacred books".
The "list" was made four hundred years after the NT Church was founded, and made by fallible men, who had no idea what the Message was, anymore, because they had need to be taught the abc's -first principles -of the Living Oracles; which oracles were committed only to the namesake people of the New Man name, as His dress rehearsals of the Person and work of YHWH, who was to come in flesh.



Hbr 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles[/abc's] of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.



To claim that the Jews and Christians had "no books" until four hundred years after the NT Church was founded is foolish andgoes against the Truth.

Also, there are "books" written in heaven, by YHWH the Word, and Enoch read them there. they are written for the angels to read and know what will befall the sons of Adam, from the beginning to the end.

Daniel 10:21 make mention of those "books" written in heaven which the angels read -and uphold the will of YHWH written there.

Daniel 10:21 - what it really states; [SIZE=1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=1][/SIZE]But [I will] shew [thee that which is] noted/written/inscribed [in the] scripture of truth:: one/echad binds [with me in these things] ,Michael your prince. The angel proceeded to show Daniel what was written in the Scripture of Truth -in heaven- about his people, which would happen to them from then to the end, and that is the record Daniel wrote in chapters 11 and 12. First, it was "written in heaven".Michael and that angel "bound" the powers [evil principalities in the heavenlies of earth] to that Word of Truth written in heaven.
I know what the Bible meant to early Christians. I know many Christian sects rose up against the Romans version of the biblical canon. I also knwo what the Romans did to those "heathens"

Nailing them to a piece of wood, and hanging them up in the air for days while they slowly suffocated and suffered a horrific death.
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Old 10-14-2009, 07:31 AM
 
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SNIP And song of Solomon is not Scripture truth and should not be in anyone's "sacred list", anyway, as it is just a dirty minded old adulterer writing of his adultery with another woman, when he had so many wives already, against God's command, that he could not "service" -or be serviced by- one a night, in several years, anyway.
??? Have you ever read it? Song of Songs is a beautifully poetic writing that contains an allegorical representation of the relationship of God and Israel as husband and wife.
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Old 10-15-2009, 02:01 AM
 
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??? Have you ever read it? Song of Songs is a beautifully poetic writing that contains an allegorical representation of the relationship of God and Israel as husband and wife.
You have been brainwashed to believe that.
The Church is "one" bride with believing Israel [those who are joined to Christ are of One Living Spirit, which Spirit was first promised to AbraHAm at the name change, and to his seed =those of the faith of AbraHAm.
1Cr 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
So, no, Solomon's adultery is not a type of Christ's dealing with Israel; and Israel is the namesake people of the New Man name, given as a sign of the adoption to come into the New Man name; and Gentiles who are joined to Christ are part of "believing" Israel, as the OT and NT teaches us.
joined to the Living Spirit of adoption.
The Church is made of Jews and Gentiles joined to the Livng Spirit/Christ, by adoption into the One Living Spirit, and so the Church is "one bride/wife' of the New Man, which New Man is Jesus Christ, the True Israel of God's second creation human being name.

And the pagan Shulamite is not a type of the Church.


Solomon was married to hundreds of women and had hundreds of lesser wives, but Moses said that a king must not multiply wives unto himself.
Solomon had so many wives that he could not "service" or be "serviced" by each one of them in many years, at one pr night, yet he was running around with the Shulamite pagan, commiting adultery with yet another woman, and fixating on her breasts like pyramids and her belly button and teeth, and so on.
No, solomon is not a type of Christ. Here is what Solomon was -a dirty old, soft porn writing, backslidden, adulterer, and idolater.
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1Ki 11:1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, [and] Hittites;

1Ki 11:2 Of the nations [concerning] which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: [for] surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.

1Ki 11:3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.

1Ki 11:4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, [that] his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as [was] the heart of David his father.

1Ki 11:5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.

1Ki 11:6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as [did] David his father.

1Ki 11:7 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that [is] before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.

1Ki 11:8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.

1Ki 11:9 And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,

1Ki 11:10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded.
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Old 10-15-2009, 04:34 AM
 
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
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Old 10-15-2009, 04:37 AM
 
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
He looks past that many of Gods "chosen" leaders all had multiple wives, and committed adultery.

Solomon and David where just two of those.
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Old 10-15-2009, 06:39 AM
 
Location: NC, USA
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In addition to those mentioned by TravisW - try earlier Jewish writings and the Torah itself. There is a lot more imformation than most modern Churches seem to use in their teachings. Your perspective probably won't be changed but it will be enhanced by the more complete understanding.
The Torah, the pentatuch, the first five books of the bible, genesis, exodus, levidicus, numbers, deuteronomy, it's all the same stuff, nothing mystical or mysterious about it.
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