The story of Pharaoh in the Noble Quran & the Bible! Which one is more accurate? (translation, Egyptian)

[elwill]

When Francisco Mitra became the president of France in 1981. France requested from the Egyptian government to host the mummy of Pharaoh for the purpose of running laboratory and archeological examinations on the mummy of the most notorious dictator ever lived on earth. Upon arrival, a very royal attendants were there including the French president himself and all the ministers bowed in the honor for the mummy

When the ceremony ended, the mummy was carried to a specially-designed section at the Archeology Centre of France where the tests started by the greatest French archeological and anatomical scientists in order to discover more about this great mummy

The scientists were headed by Professor Maurice Bucaille. The scientists were trying to restore the mummy while Professor Maurice was mainly concerned about how did this mummy died! The final report of the scientists was released late at night in which it was stated that the remaining salt in the mummy is an overt evidence that it was drawn in the sea, and the body was rescued very shortly where it was immediately embalmed to be saved

There was an amazing thing that was still confusing Professor Maurice. This thing was how could this body possibly be saved and in such good condition more than any other mummy despite being taken out of the sea? Professor Maurice was writing his final report on what he thought would be a new discovery about saving Pharaoh's body immediately after his death and embalming it.

At this moment, someone whispered to him that Muslims claim to know something about the drowning of this mummy. However, the Professor firmly denied such thing saying that it's impossible to discover this without the development of science and without using his high-technology, complicated laboratories and computers.

Well, he was surprise when he was told that Muslims believe in a book called "The Noble Quran" and the Noble Quran narrates the story of Pharaoh's drowning and ensures the safety of his body after his death as to be a Sign to mankind. The Professor couldn't believe what he heard and he started to wonder:
How can a book which existed 1400 years ago speak about the mummy that was only found 200 years ago, in 1898 ??!!
How can that be possible while the ancient Egyptian heritage was discovered only a few decades ago and no one knew about it before??!!

The Professor sat down pondering on what he was told about the book of Muslims while his Holy Book (The Bible) narrates only the drowning of Pharaoh without saying anything about his body.
"Is it possible that this mummy in front of me is the one who was chasing Moses ??!!"
Is it possible that Muhammad knew this 1400 years ago ??!!"

The Professor couldn't sleep that night till they brought him the Old Testament where he read:
"When Pharaoh's horses, chariots and horsemen [d] went into the sea, the LORD brought the waters of the sea back over them, but the Israelites walked through the sea on dry ground. (Exodus 15:19)".

He was surprised that his Holy Bible didn't mention about the destiny of the body and that it will be saved.

When the scientists were done with the mummy, France retuned it to Egypt, but Professor Maurice couldn't rest for a moment since he was told that Muslims knew that the body will be saved from the Noble Quran. So, he decided to travel and meet anatomy Muslim scientists and there he spoke about his discovery of the saved body of the mummy after its death in the sea and so on.

One of the Muslim scientist stood up and simply opened the Quran and pointed to the Professor at one verse:

"This day shall We save you in your body, that you may be a Sign to those who come after you! But verily, many among mankind are neglectful of Our Signs" (Quran 10:92)

The Professor was struck when he read that and immediately stood in front of the crowd and said loudly: "I believe in Islam, I believe in Quran"

Then he went back to France with a different intention. In France, he dedicated 10 years investigating the scientific discoveries and comparing them with the Quran and trying to come up with one scientific contradiction with the Quran.

Finally he quoted one verse from the Quran to be his conclusion:

"No falsehood can approach it (this book) from before or behind it: it is sent down by One Full of Wisdom, Worthy of all praise" (Quran 41:42)

As a result of all years of his research, Professor Maurice wrote a book that shook all Europe, especially the scientists there
"Quran, Bible and Science: A Study of the Holy Books in the Light of Modern Science"

All copies were sold out at a very short time.

[esselcue]

All the mummies of Pharoahs were treated with a salt-based mixture to dry out and preserve the tissues before wrapping. If the mummy you refer to was Rameses the Great, who is thought to have been the Pharoah during Moses' time, he died of very old age from an infection caused by an abcessed tooth. Not from drowning.

Also...from all I have read and heard, the literal translation regarding the body of water that Moses and his followers fled across is the Sea of Reeds, not the Red Sea. Big difference. It was a swampy area where the red sea occasionally tided the land with several inches of water, and then receded again. Not all that difficult to cross...

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by elwill

When Francisco Mitra became the president of France in 1981. France requested from the Egyptian government to host the mummy of Pharaoh for the purpose of running laboratory and archeological examinations on the mummy of the most notorious dictator ever lived on earth. Upon arrival, a very royal attendants were there including the French president himself and all the ministers bowed in the honor for the mummy

When the ceremony ended, the mummy was carried to a specially-designed section at the Archeology Centre of France where the tests started by the greatest French archeological and anatomical scientists in order to discover more about this great mummy

The scientists were headed by Professor Maurice Bucaille. The scientists were trying to restore the mummy while Professor Maurice was mainly concerned about how did this mummy died! The final report of the scientists was released late at night in which it was stated that the remaining salt in the mummy is an overt evidence that it was drawn in the sea, and the body was rescued very shortly where it was immediately embalmed to be saved

There was an amazing thing that was still confusing Professor Maurice. This thing was how could this body possibly be saved and in such good condition more than any other mummy despite being taken out of the sea? Professor Maurice was writing his final report on what he thought would be a new discovery about saving Pharaoh's body immediately after his death and embalming it.

At this moment, someone whispered to him that Muslims claim to know something about the drowning of this mummy. However, the Professor firmly denied such thing saying that it's impossible to discover this without the development of science and without using his high-technology, complicated laboratories and computers.

Well, he was surprise when he was told that Muslims believe in a book called "The Noble Quran" and the Noble Quran narrates the story of Pharaoh's drowning and ensures the safety of his body after his death as to be a Sign to mankind. The Professor couldn't believe what he heard and he started to wonder:
How can a book which existed 1400 years ago speak about the mummy that was only found 200 years ago, in 1898 ??!!
How can that be possible while the ancient Egyptian heritage was discovered only a few decades ago and no one knew about it before??!!

The Professor sat down pondering on what he was told about the book of Muslims while his Holy Book (The Bible) narrates only the drowning of Pharaoh without saying anything about his body.
"Is it possible that this mummy in front of me is the one who was chasing Moses ??!!"
Is it possible that Muhammad knew this 1400 years ago ??!!"

The Professor couldn't sleep that night till they brought him the Old Testament where he read:
"When Pharaoh's horses, chariots and horsemen [d] went into the sea, the LORD brought the waters of the sea back over them, but the Israelites walked through the sea on dry ground. (Exodus 15:19)".

He was surprised that his Holy Bible didn't mention about the destiny of the body and that it will be saved.

When the scientists were done with the mummy, France retuned it to Egypt, but Professor Maurice couldn't rest for a moment since he was told that Muslims knew that the body will be saved from the Noble Quran. So, he decided to travel and meet anatomy Muslim scientists and there he spoke about his discovery of the saved body of the mummy after its death in the sea and so on.

One of the Muslim scientist stood up and simply opened the Quran and pointed to the Professor at one verse:

"This day shall We save you in your body, that you may be a Sign to those who come after you! But verily, many among mankind are neglectful of Our Signs" (Quran 10:92)

The Professor was struck when he read that and immediately stood in front of the crowd and said loudly: "I believe in Islam, I believe in Quran"

Then he went back to France with a different intention. In France, he dedicated 10 years investigating the scientific discoveries and comparing them with the Quran and trying to come up with one scientific contradiction with the Quran.

Finally he quoted one verse from the Quran to be his conclusion:

"No falsehood can approach it (this book) from before or behind it: it is sent down by One Full of Wisdom, Worthy of all praise" (Quran 41:42)

As a result of all years of his research, Professor Maurice wrote a book that shook all Europe, especially the scientists there
"Quran, Bible and Science: A Study of the Holy Books in the Light of Modern Science"

All copies were sold out at a very short time.

Not so fast, the Koran gives a conflicting story on the Pharaoh. You say the Pharaoh drowned, yet in the Koran in (Q 2:50) it states, We divided the sea for you and saved you and drowned Pharaoh's people within your very sight. This verse states it was the Pharaoh's army that was drowned, and it was the Pharaoh that was saved. You can't have it both ways.
PLEASE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS?

[Nikk]

The Quaran was written in an archaic form and the badly written text can be, and has been translated many different ways. So the meaning you have given is useless.

The Bible is the true history of the events. Moses was there when the Armies of Pharoh were distroyed. Mohammed was not there and Allah does not exist!

[elwill]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

Not so fast, the Koran gives a conflicting story on the Pharaoh. You say the Pharaoh drowned, yet in the Koran in (Q 2:50) it states, We divided the sea for you and saved you and drowned Pharaoh's people within your very sight. This verse states it was the Pharaoh's army that was drowned, and it was the Pharaoh that was saved. You can't have it both ways.
PLEASE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS?

in 2:50 it mentioned that army of pharaoh are drowned , it dosn't mean that pharaoh is saved , this verse talking about phraoh people as an army and faroah was the leader of this army

but the verses i stated here about saved of pharoah body
This day shall We save you in your body, that you may be a Sign to those who come after you! But verily, many among mankind are neglectful of Our Signs" (Quran 10:92)

god here mentioned that he will save his body after his death (drowned) as a sign to those whom come after him

is there any other confusions ?

[elwill]

Originally Posted by Nikk

The Quaran was written in an archaic form and the badly written text can be, and has been translated many different ways. So the meaning you have given is useless.

The Bible is the true history of the events. Moses was there when the Armies of Pharoh were distroyed. Mohammed was not there and Allah does not exist!

i'm not talking about different story , there is no contradictions here
i'm talking about more accurate , bible didn't mentioned that his body will be saved , that's what i'm talking about

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by elwill

in 2:50 it mentioned that army of pharaoh are drowned , it dosn't mean that pharaoh is saved , this verse talking about phraoh people as an army and faroah was the leader of this army

but the verses i stated here about saved of pharoah body
This day shall We save you in your body, that you may be a Sign to those who come after you! But verily, many among mankind are neglectful of Our Signs" (Quran 10:92)

god here mentioned that he will save his body after his death (drowned) as a sign to those whom come after him

is there any other confusions ?

I believe the text in question is accurate, and I believe it is clear that the pharaoh's life was spared. It does not say God would save his body, it says God would save him (in) his body. You say in highlighted black letters above that God would save his body after his death. That is not what the green highlighted text states. It states (WE WILL SAVE YOU IN YOUR BODY). If there is any confusion, I believe it is on your part.

[elwill]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

I believe the text in question is accurate, and I believe it is clear that the pharaoh's life was spared. It does not say God would save his body, it says God would save him (in) his body. You say in highlighted black letters above that God would save his body after his death. That is not what the green highlighted text states. It states (WE WILL SAVE YOU IN YOUR BODY). If there is any confusion, I believe it is on your part.

i'm sorry , may be this translation confused you but this statment refer to preserve his body , sometimes you will need to understand the culture of the original language to understand what quran means

alyawma (this day) nonajeka ( we save you) bebadanek (with your body)
this is the literally translation of arabic quran

those two letters can be translated to many english words as : within , with , in , mixed with and by .

when someone translate this word "bebadanek" into (in your body) , we (arabs) understand it as to preserved his body also , this expression is acceptable in arabic language to mean preseve the body

so , i think that the differ between our cultures in language is the main problem here

[Nikk]

Originally Posted by elwill

i'm not talking about different story , there is no contradictions here
i'm talking about more accurate , bible didn't mentioned that his body will be saved , that's what i'm talking about

The bible is the true account. What does it matter if the Quaran has tonnes of additional comments. If they are false they are false. Moses was there when the Israelites crossed the sea and when Pharoh's armies were drowned. Neither Allah nor Mohammad were there!

The text of the bible does not mention Pharoh going into the sea with the armies so I don't see what your point is? Mohammad had access to the text of the old testament, that is where he got most of his information when he wrote the Quaran! So if the stories are similar we know why, he was good at copying, nothing else!

[elwill]

Originally Posted by Nikk

The bible is the true account. What does it matter if the Quaran has tonnes of additional comments. If they are false they are false. Moses was there when the Israelites crossed the sea and when Pharoh's armies were drowned. Neither Allah nor Mohammad were there!

The text of the bible does not mention Pharoh going into the sea with the armies so I don't see what your point is? Mohammad had access to the text of the old testament, that is where he got most of his information when he wrote the Quaran! So if the stories are similar we know why, he was good at copying, nothing else!

whatever , you cant proof that quran is copied from the bible
bible is filled with contradictions and false informations , quran dosn't

anyway if you think that mohammed(pbuh) knew by the chance that body of pharoah preserved , so it's fine with me
if you think also that mohammed(pbuh) copied the story of noah (pbuh) and mentioned about the flood to be partial not universal as in the bible , so it's fine with me
if you think that mohammed knew by the chance that the ark of noah (pbuh) earthed in Judi mountain which differ than bible said , so it's fine with me also

if you think that all of the information in quran to be copied or correct by the chance , so it's fine with me also