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Old 07-19-2008, 01:37 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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2,000 years ago when we had barely a fraction of the understanding of the world around us that we do now it makes sense that people would invest their faith and emotions heavily in religions such as Catholicism and the supernatural.

When life was meager at the best of times, and we understood almost nothing of science that we do now God provided a simple convenient answer that was simply unquestionable because the principle at the core of it's existence was to just have faith in the face of doubt - it's a perfect cycle of ignorance. When reason and everything we understand about the Universe, our planet, evolution, psychology etc. suggests that the existence of a supernatural higher being is very improbable, the response is just have faith, an explanation akin to "just because"?

The world we all live in is full of technological privileges brought about by our curiosity and desire to understand the world around us, yet when the same curiosity that created these privileges suggests that supernatural religion is flawed it's no longer relevant?

It makes sense that people would commit themselves entirely to the concept of religion, because it gives them hope in the face of hopeless situations. No matter how bad things get they can always turn to God, this idea that one man created in a primitive time of suffering to give people hope, and that makes them feel better. They don't want to believe that there isn't always someone watching over them, because that would be scary, they don't want to believe that they have no idea what happens when they die, and the possibility that they might just no longer exists because that would be scary too. They would rather believe that this supernatural God has a plan for them, and they are going to a better place when they die - which makes their difficult life easier to swallow.

Besides this one mans word, what evidence is there that any of the miracles that would suggest this supernatural force ever existed? Why did all this funky stuff happen when Jesus was around, but now it doesn't? Why exactly is he taking his time coming back to Earth?

What makes Christianity any different to any of the tribal religions that worship animal God's? What evidence is there beyond the book of magic, superstition, and mystical creatures that we know as the bible - which is basically a 2,000 year old Chinese whisper - that this faith has any more merit?

How can we possibly ignore what we understand about evolution? What about the existence of the dinosaurs? Did God just forget to mention that giant reptiles dominated the earth before it was struck by a rock the size of an island?

The anti-progress "just because" principle of religion makes it akin to a drug. Short term relief to a long term problem. It encourages people to settle for the convenient easy answer rather than actually have to do things the hard way and understand.

At what point are the major churches going to snap out of this loop and update. Instead of placing their faith in the supernatural why don't they get real and accept the fact that we know better now, and evolve to encourage faith in ourselves and each other, to do the right thing by others and make our world a better place for everyone. Instead of lying to someone to give them hope, they should encourage people to find the strength within themselves, to accept hardship and know that there is always hope because we make our own destiny. Sometimes bad things just happen, it's not part of some higher beings master plan, it's purely chance, but going through life fearing something that only exists in your imagination is irrational, and people need to understand that rather than find comfort in the notion that if they do kick the bucket they're going to a better place.

The Catholic Church wonders why young people are not buying it? Are they that blind? In an organisation that large there have just got to be some intelligent people with a vision for the future.

Christianity has done a lot of good for humanity, and the ideals that it represents are something that we need to collectively promote to create a better world but in it's current form the church is heading for demise. Such a waste of a well established global movement for good will towards others, when it could conceivably continue for a very long time to come if it was just grow with the rest of the world.
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Old 10-20-2008, 08:49 AM
 
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you right the existence cannot be avoided sequal to the theory of man's civlization. Man was lacking enough knowledge of science by using religion for an answer, that is 'an intelligent being cannot exist from nothing'.. Man has adapted his environment by becoming a more curious person after every mystery encountered, that only leads us to know that evolution can be inevitable.

Religion does play apart, but also makes us think that it came from Man's stupidity out of ingorance and God was first to play science. The bible may not be accurate but casn be used, as a passage to witness our presence beyond our imagination.

the important thing is faith brings hope and our destiny is driven by that hope, when religion plays apart or without it. living in faith and understanding the concepts of our nature in science can also motivate different facts not to be liken to religion. one is a logic factor of the mysterious ages, that exist within.
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:29 AM
 
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2,000 years ago when we had barely a fraction of the understanding of the world around us that we do now it makes sense that people would invest their faith and emotions heavily in religions such as Catholicism and the supernatural.

When life was meager at the best of times, and we understood almost nothing of science that we do now God provided a simple convenient answer that was simply unquestionable because the principle at the core of it's existence was to just have faith in the face of doubt - it's a perfect cycle of ignorance. When reason and everything we understand about the Universe, our planet, evolution, psychology etc. suggests that the existence of a supernatural higher being is very improbable, the response is just have faith, an explanation akin to "just because"?

The world we all live in is full of technological privileges brought about by our curiosity and desire to understand the world around us, yet when the same curiosity that created these privileges suggests that supernatural religion is flawed it's no longer relevant?

It makes sense that people would commit themselves entirely to the concept of religion, because it gives them hope in the face of hopeless situations. No matter how bad things get they can always turn to God, this idea that one man created in a primitive time of suffering to give people hope, and that makes them feel better. They don't want to believe that there isn't always someone watching over them, because that would be scary, they don't want to believe that they have no idea what happens when they die, and the possibility that they might just no longer exists because that would be scary too. They would rather believe that this supernatural God has a plan for them, and they are going to a better place when they die - which makes their difficult life easier to swallow.

Besides this one mans word, what evidence is there that any of the miracles that would suggest this supernatural force ever existed? Why did all this funky stuff happen when Jesus was around, but now it doesn't? Why exactly is he taking his time coming back to Earth?

What makes Christianity any different to any of the tribal religions that worship animal God's? What evidence is there beyond the book of magic, superstition, and mystical creatures that we know as the bible - which is basically a 2,000 year old Chinese whisper - that this faith has any more merit?

How can we possibly ignore what we understand about evolution? What about the existence of the dinosaurs? Did God just forget to mention that giant reptiles dominated the earth before it was struck by a rock the size of an island?

The anti-progress "just because" principle of religion makes it akin to a drug. Short term relief to a long term problem. It encourages people to settle for the convenient easy answer rather than actually have to do things the hard way and understand.

At what point are the major churches going to snap out of this loop and update. Instead of placing their faith in the supernatural why don't they get real and accept the fact that we know better now, and evolve to encourage faith in ourselves and each other, to do the right thing by others and make our world a better place for everyone. Instead of lying to someone to give them hope, they should encourage people to find the strength within themselves, to accept hardship and know that there is always hope because we make our own destiny. Sometimes bad things just happen, it's not part of some higher beings master plan, it's purely chance, but going through life fearing something that only exists in your imagination is irrational, and people need to understand that rather than find comfort in the notion that if they do kick the bucket they're going to a better place.

The Catholic Church wonders why young people are not buying it? Are they that blind? In an organisation that large there have just got to be some intelligent people with a vision for the future.

Christianity has done a lot of good for humanity, and the ideals that it represents are something that we need to collectively promote to create a better world but in it's current form the church is heading for demise. Such a waste of a well established global movement for good will towards others, when it could conceivably continue for a very long time to come if it was just grow with the rest of the world.
Thank you for your opinion. Maybe, it is those who believe in evolution, this bad hypothesis that is poorly supported by conjecture, who need to realize that they are believing a lie.

The facts point to a recent creation, to a global flood, and verify the acheological portions of the bible.
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Old 10-20-2008, 11:02 AM
 
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Nikk, please educate us with some links to this vital and incredible information.
Gee, I hope the links aren't to religious sites but to peer reviewed archaeological and/or scientific sites.
You can't use religion to support your religion.

You might want to look at all of the creation myths to find similarities.
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Old 10-20-2008, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Nikk, I also would be very interested in a non-bias view that support the notion of a "recent creation".

As far as creation stories go, the ancient Sumarian text tell of a creation story, which is almost word for word as the story is told in Genesis, however, the Sumarian text predates the bible by about 1200 years.
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Old 10-20-2008, 11:58 AM
 
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Nikk, please educate us with some links to this vital and incredible information.
Gee, I hope the links aren't to religious sites but to peer reviewed archaeological and/or scientific sites.
You can't use religion to support your religion.

You might want to look at all of the creation myths to find similarities.
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Nikk, I also would be very interested in a non-bias view that support the notion of a "recent creation".
That probably wont happen seeing as the details of Nikk's stories change as soon as you point out a contradiction.

What's interesting for to see though is that some people simply wont accept the idea that god was invented by man to explain the unknown as even an alternate explanation to their beliefs.
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Old 10-20-2008, 03:20 PM
 
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Shocked, I tell you.
I'm shocked.
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Old 10-20-2008, 05:27 PM
 
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As far as creation stories go, the ancient Sumarian text tell of a creation story, which is almost word for word as the story is told in Genesis, however, the Sumarian text predates the bible by about 1200 years.
Yeah, I find the creation story of the mother goddess and Enki interesting too (search the page with the word pun). I always wondered why god decided to make eve from a rib of all places. Interesting theory.
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:09 AM
 
Location: PA
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Nikk, I also would be very interested in a non-bias view that support the notion of a "recent creation".

As far as creation stories go, the ancient Sumarian text tell of a creation story, which is almost word for word as the story is told in Genesis, however, the Sumarian text predates the bible by about 1200 years.
The history of Genesis comes from Noah and his Son's. From them come the Sumarians. So, it would make sense that the Sumarians would have a reccord of these events aswell. The reccord in the bible is the true reccord.
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:16 AM
 
Location: PA
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Nikk, please educate us with some links to this vital and incredible information.
Gee, I hope the links aren't to religious sites but to peer reviewed archaeological and/or scientific sites.
You can't use religion to support your religion.

You might want to look at all of the creation myths to find similarities.
All creation myths come from one true source of history and that is from Noah and his sons. All people groups of the world come from Noah, so each culture has a "memory" of these events, some have become more degraded than other.

You do err with your logic Chielgirl, science cannot prove God. It cannot prove any event that has occured in the past since it can not reproduce the past and conduct experiments on it. Applied science in science that is conducted in the present using repeatable experiments. That is how we get the man on the moon and microwaves in our kitchen. Historical science is a guess to the past. That is why theories like evolution do not have the answers to the past. Evolution is NOT science but rather a story bases on interpretations of facts.
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