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Old 07-06-2019, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Absolutely. That's not even a question. The author that I mentioned puts this above anything else and is keen for the loophole permitting stepping away from these ideals to be closed. However, in his experience there has been a reluctance, even by those who go out of their way to shine light on it, to actually do anything about it, like issue a declaration against 'just' killing.

P.S. It's comparable to the Ten Commandments in a sense of there being structured moral precepts at a core of a belief.
Once again, you're not getting it. The reason that someone doesn't "issue a declaration" is that there are no commandments in Buddhism (except perhaps for monks).

And no, commandments and suggestions are two very different things.
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Old 07-06-2019, 11:43 AM
 
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its totally consistent with the ten commandments. the ten commandments are a good guide for any successful society.

change the words a tad ... poof ... it fits common sense. It fits any good guide.

how some people present them isn't consistent with commonsense.
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Old 07-06-2019, 12:11 PM
 
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Once again, you're not getting it. The reason that someone doesn't "issue a declaration" is that there are no commandments in Buddhism (except perhaps for monks).

And no, commandments and suggestions are two very different things.
I think your emotional response to the subject is clouding your judgement. It's the only reason I can imagine that you would reduce the word 'declaration' to the meaning of 'commandment'. Nowhere did I imply this meaning, so I have no idea how you arrived at it beyond whatever personal issue you have with me. If it's any easier, what I meant by 'declaration' is 'a formal statement' renouncing 'just' killing. If Buddhist masters can issue such formal statements in support of 'just' killing, I'm pretty certain it'd be within their remit to issue one against it, that way people would be free to use that guidance in their own decision making.
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Old 07-06-2019, 12:45 PM
 
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its totally consistent with the ten commandments. the ten commandments are a good guide for any successful society.

change the words a tad ... poof ... it fits common sense. It fits any good guide.

how some people present them isn't consistent with commonsense.
Poof...Buddhism doesn't have commandments.
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Old 07-06-2019, 12:48 PM
 
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I think your emotional response to the subject is clouding your judgement. It's the only reason I can imagine that you would reduce the word 'declaration' to the meaning of 'commandment'. Nowhere did I imply this meaning, so I have no idea how you arrived at it beyond whatever personal issue you have with me. If it's any easier, what I meant by 'declaration' is 'a formal statement' renouncing 'just' killing. If Buddhist masters can issue such formal statements in support of 'just' killing, I'm pretty certain it'd be within their remit to issue one against it, that way people would be free to use that guidance in their own decision making.
No, in two different posts you equated commandments to statements.

There is a tremendous difference between saying if you break this commandment you will go to hell, and making a statement that if you kill a sentient being you will probably increase your own suffering.
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Old 07-06-2019, 12:56 PM
 
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No, in two different posts you equated commandments to statements.
OK. Give me an example and then explain how in the context of my posts does this justify your assumption that a) I don't understand how Buddhist precepts work; and b) that the context in which I used the word 'declaration' somehow makes it equal to 'commandment'.

You're really stretching it, phetaroi. And notice how your only contribution to my conversation with Trans is to twist my words and not offer any kind of opinion on the actual issue at hand.
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Old 07-06-2019, 01:11 PM
 
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OK. Give me an example and then explain how in the context of my posts does this justify your assumption that a) I don't understand how Buddhist precepts work; and b) that the context in which I used the word 'declaration' somehow makes it equal to 'commandment'.

You're really stretching it, phetaroi. And notice how your only contribution to my conversation with Trans is to twist my words and not offer any kind of opinion on the actual issue at hand.
I guess it's important that you have the last word. Go ahead.
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Old 07-06-2019, 01:23 PM
 
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I guess it's important that you have the last word. Go ahead.
If my having a conversation with you comes across as my desire to somehow best you, I apologise. Since you don't feel like answering my questions I'm happy to leave this alone. Have a great weekend, p.
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Old 07-06-2019, 05:32 PM
 
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Poof...Buddhism doesn't have commandments.
That's why I put in the change the words comment.
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Old 07-06-2019, 07:37 PM
 
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That's why I put in the change the words comment.
I have no idea what that sentence means.
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