God vs Science (churches, bible, quote, marriage)

[Dave Danielson]

Liberal Lutherans tout scientific findings particularly with regard to gender preferences. Most men are attracted sexually to females, some more than others, and some not at all. Therefore it is discriminatory to exclude gay men or lesbian women from ministry. They do not choose their gender preferences. At the same time Lutherans insist on following the proscriptions in Holy Scripture which decry homosexuality as a sin. It will be interesting to see if science or God will win in the Lutheran battleground.

David Danielson, author of PASSING ALL UNDERSTANDING novel/ satire

[esselcue]

Which is one of the main reasons I am not a Christian...dogma is just too much a part of religion. As a Diest, I truly can not believe that God would care if a minister was male, female, gay, lesbian, or some of each! The Christians I know, and love, often tell their children that they are perfect just as they are, no matter what, because God made them that way. This being the case...I believe God also feels his gay, lesbian and transgendered children are perfect, too. It's the narrow-minded and uneducated men who wrote the Bible many moons ago who feel gays, lesbians and women are not suited. It is not only discriminatory, it is also ignorant and vain.

[bluepacific]

Actually the Lutheran Church here in Sweden which is the state church does support Gay/Lesbian marriage and other issues. They have to as their Liberal Government owners would stop supporting them with Taxpayer monies and they'd have to fend for themselves. That would'nt work so well because most people here don't go to church.

Church of Sweden approves gay marriage law - The Local

The statistics will show that Sweden has 7.2 million Lutheran Church members out of a population of 9.1 million, but don't let that fool you. People are made an honorary member by birth right. The other 2 million opted out after Sweden changed the laws back in 2000 I believe that allowed people to resign from the Church and 2% of their income tax would no longer go to the Church support. Not everyone is happy with the move on the church's stance. They support all the Euro-Pride Festivals.

Churches vandalized for Europride involvement - The Local

[esselcue]

Swedes are a liberal bunch! My married name was Swenson

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by Dave Danielson

Liberal Lutherans tout scientific findings particularly with regard to gender preferences. Most men are attracted sexually to females, some more than others, and some not at all. Therefore it is discriminatory to exclude gay men or lesbian women from ministry. They do not choose their gender preferences. At the same time Lutherans insist on following the proscriptions in Holy Scripture which decry homosexuality as a sin. It will be interesting to see if science or God will win in the Lutheran battleground.

David Danielson, author of PASSING ALL UNDERSTANDING novel/ satire

The Lutheran Church is an absolute mess, nough said.

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by esselcue

Which is one of the main reasons I am not a Christian...dogma is just too much a part of religion. As a Diest, I truly can not believe that God would care if a minister was male, female, gay, lesbian, or some of each! The Christians I know, and love, often tell their children that they are perfect just as they are, no matter what, because God made them that way. This being the case...I believe God also feels his gay, lesbian and transgendered children are perfect, too. It's the narrow-minded and uneducated men who wrote the Bible many moons ago who feel gays, lesbians and women are not suited. It is not only discriminatory, it is also ignorant and vain.

If you are not a Christian why are you giving a Christian answer. Don't believe anything from God because the god you believe in does not exist, it's called idolatry and you are breaking the 1st commandment. If you want to hear his words on what He, God believes then read the bible, it's his love letter, his words to us.

If you don't read the bible then you can't know anything about what God believes other than that your a sinner.

The answer of homosexuals and women are very simple.

[little elmer]

...without faith it is impossible to please (God): for he that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

That's Hebrews 11:6 from our dusty bookshelves...

[esselcue]

Originally Posted by Reformed Liberal

If you are not a Christian why are you giving a Christian answer. Don't believe anything from God because the god you believe in does not exist, it's called idolatry and you are breaking the 1st commandment. If you want to hear his words on what He, God believes then read the bible, it's his love letter, his words to us.

If you don't read the bible then you can't know anything about what God believes other than that your a sinner.

The answer of homosexuals and women are very simple.

The OP was God vs Science...I was responding to a question with my opinion and beliefs. I have read the Bible, more than once, I do know what Christianity is about...been there & done that. Do you understand what a Diest is and what other people find to be Truth? Or are you simply too mired in your own narrow belief to listen and perhaps learn?

My opinion and beliefs differ greatly from yours, but that does not make you right and me wrong. There is no "right" or "wrong", in spite of what you may say. God, Creator, Source of Life, Universe are all terms for the same thing...a belief in something more than the human conciousness.

I do not believe in Original Sin, nor do I believe we are all inately "sinners". I believe that we are human, we make good decisions and bad decisions and we deal with the outcome, the results of those decisions. I respect that you do not share this belief, that's your right. I would expect the same respect from you.

[mams1559]

With respect and gentleness ...

Originally Posted by esselcue

There is no "right" or "wrong", in spite of what you may say.

...if there's no right or wrong, then the following sentence ....

Originally Posted by esselcue

God, Creator, Source of Life, Universe are all terms for the same thing...a belief in something more than the human conciousness.

...cannot be defined as true, either, philosophically speaking. Just something to think about

[b. frank]

Originally Posted by mams1559

With respect and gentleness ...

...if there's no right or wrong, then the following sentence ....

...cannot be defined as true, either, philosophically speaking. Just something to think about

"Truth" is in a completely different ballpark from "right" and "wrong".