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Old 01-03-2009, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Originally Posted by kdbrich View Post
yes.

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life.14 No one comes to the Father except through me."
Wrong.

Deut 4:15 You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman

deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

Isaiah 43:10-11 (New International Version)

10 "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD,
"and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me
and understand that I am he.
Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me.

11 I, even I, am the LORD,
and apart from me there is no savior.

Isaiah 45:21-22 (New International Version)

21 Declare what is to be, present it—
let them take counsel together.
Who foretold this long ago,
who declared it from the distant past?
Was it not I, the LORD ?
And there is no God apart from me,
a righteous God and a Savior;
there is none but me.

22 "Turn to me and be saved,
all you ends of the earth;
for I am God, and there is no other.

Hosea 13:4 (New International Version)

4 "But I am the LORD your God,
who brought you out of Egypt.
You shall acknowledge no God but me,
no Savior except me.


These verse clearly state their is one God to follow and that one god is the Savior. He also clearly state believing in another god or idol worshipping man is against him. So believing in Jesus is a Idolatry and he can not save you.
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Old 01-04-2009, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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Wrong.

Deut 4:15 You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman

deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

Isaiah 43:10-11 (New International Version)

10 "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD,
"and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me
and understand that I am he.
Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me.

11 I, even I, am the LORD,
and apart from me there is no savior.

Isaiah 45:21-22 (New International Version)

21 Declare what is to be, present it—
let them take counsel together.
Who foretold this long ago,
who declared it from the distant past?
Was it not I, the LORD ?
And there is no God apart from me,
a righteous God and a Savior;
there is none but me.

22 "Turn to me and be saved,
all you ends of the earth;
for I am God, and there is no other.

Hosea 13:4 (New International Version)

4 "But I am the LORD your God,
who brought you out of Egypt.
You shall acknowledge no God but me,
no Savior except me.


These verse clearly state their is one God to follow and that one god is the Savior. He also clearly state believing in another god or idol worshipping man is against him. So believing in Jesus is a Idolatry and he can not save you.
I cannot see how Christians can include the Old Testament as a part of their holy books and see these things you have copied, written in plain English, and insist that Jesus is God.

except that, being all a part of creation, that Jesus and all of us are created from God.

How could the OT express the fact of one God, and ONLY one God, in any other way?
How could that idea be stated any more clearly than it is already?
Why do they parse and twist the direct word of their God in order to accommodate the books of the New Testament?

They are saying God did not really mean what He said. Makes no sense.

You cannot have it both ways.

If they believe that Christ is their savior, it seems they must discard the Old Testament. After all, Christ said he came to replace the law, it is no too much of a stretch and they would not have to be straddled with all the inconsistencies.
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Old 01-04-2009, 01:39 AM
 
Location: Real America
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Jesus who?
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Old 01-04-2009, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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I cannot see how Christians can include the Old Testament as a part of their holy books and see these things you have copied, written in plain English, and insist that Jesus is God.

except that, being all a part of creation, that Jesus and all of us are created from God.

How could the OT express the fact of one God, and ONLY one God, in any other way?
How could that idea be stated any more clearly than it is already?
Why do they parse and twist the direct word of their God in order to accommodate the books of the New Testament?

They are saying God did not really mean what He said. Makes no sense.

You cannot have it both ways.

If they believe that Christ is their savior, it seems they must discard the Old Testament. After all, Christ said he came to replace the law, it is no too much of a stretch and they would not have to be straddled with all the inconsistencies.
That is why the jews do not believe a man is god
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Old 01-04-2009, 10:31 AM
 
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I cannot see how Christians can include the Old Testament as a part of their holy books and see these things you have copied, written in plain English, and insist that Jesus is God.

except that, being all a part of creation, that Jesus and all of us are created from God.

How could the OT express the fact of one God, and ONLY one God, in any other way?
How could that idea be stated any more clearly than it is already?
Why do they parse and twist the direct word of their God in order to accommodate the books of the New Testament?

They are saying God did not really mean what He said. Makes no sense.

You cannot have it both ways.

If they believe that Christ is their savior, it seems they must discard the Old Testament. After all, Christ said he came to replace the law, it is no too much of a stretch and they would not have to be straddled with all the inconsistencies.
The Old Testament does say there is one God, yet it also reveals to us that it takes more then one person, or one being to = that one God. And that is why it states in the first Book of the Bible. Let (US) make man in (OUR) image and in (OUR) likness. This is clearly stated, yet most who do not believe in a three in one God, ignore the wording of the Old Testament. Other examples of this can be seen in the Old Testament.
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Old 01-04-2009, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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The Old Testament does say there is one God, yet it also reveals to us that it takes more then one person, or one being to = that one God. And that is why it states in the first Book of the Bible. Let (US) make man in (OUR) image and in (OUR) likness. This is clearly stated, yet most who do not believe in a three in one God, ignore the wording of the Old Testament. Other examples of this can be seen in the Old Testament.
Again, I have answered this point. I stated:Genesis 1:26 is Talking about god making man in the likeness of God and his heavenly beings(angels). Did you not notice that in verse genesis 1: 27 it clearly state He(God) created man in his image. 1 kings and Daniel show an example of the OURS.
Isaiah said god states He is one and no one came before or after Him. read post below

http://www.city-data.com/forum/5221898-post207.html
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Old 01-04-2009, 11:54 AM
 
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Again, I have answered this point. I stated:Genesis 1:26 is Talking about god making man in the likeness of God and his heavenly beings(angels). Did you not notice that in verse genesis 1: 27 it clearly state He(God) created man in his image. 1 kings and Daniel show an example of the OURS.
Isaiah said god states He is one and no one came before or after Him. read post below

http://www.city-data.com/forum/5221898-post207.html
Only God was involved in creation. God did not have anyone helping Him, and the Scriptures point this out. He had no little helpers, no angles, no one.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth (BY MYSELF

So when God said, let (US) make man in (OUR) image and in (OUR) likeness He was not speaking of anyone but HIMSELF. Because God alone created all things.
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Old 01-04-2009, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Only God was involved in creation. God did not have anyone helping Him, and the Scriptures point this out. He had no little helpers, no angles, no one.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth (BY MYSELF

So when God said, let (US) make man in (OUR) image and in (OUR) likeness He was not speaking of anyone but HIMSELF. Because God alone created all things.
So you just proved that Jesus is not god. Because God acted alone.
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Old 01-04-2009, 03:05 PM
 
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So you just proved that Jesus is not god. Because God acted alone.
Yes God acted alone, and as God already point out to you in the first Book of the Bible. Let (US) make man in (OUR) image and in (OUR) likeness. It should be obvious, that by God useing the words (US) and (OUR), He is speaking of more than one person. And it requires more than one person to = (One God). Just as the Atom requires three elements to = One Atom, it requires three persons to = (One God). And that is why God says, let (US) make man in (OUR) image and in (OUR) likeness.
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Old 01-04-2009, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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"And he shall be called Emanuel which means 'God with Us'"
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