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Old 11-09-2008, 10:54 AM
 
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Its only wrong if you believe that the Bible copied those accounts, which I do not believe that is the case. There were writings of the flood that existed before the Bible in ancient clay tablets. Other older cultures knew about the flood long before the Bible existed. Yet, because something appears in print, before another Book speaks of the same story, does not mean the second account is wrong. The fact that this story has been spoken of by so many in the past, one should question why so many cultures even have these global flood stories. Especially when so many of these cultures were not joined together by any common bond.
Lol so it is just special pleading.
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Old 11-09-2008, 10:55 AM
 
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Lol so it is just special pleading.
Your not seeing it.

godspeed,

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Old 11-09-2008, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Its only wrong if you believe that the Bible copied those accounts, which I do not believe that is the case. There were writings of the flood that existed before the Bible in ancient clay tablets. Other older cultures knew about the flood long before the Bible existed. Yet, because something appears in print, before another Book speaks of the same story, does not mean the second account is wrong. The fact that this story has been spoken of by so many in the past, one should question why so many cultures even have these global flood stories. Especially when so many of these cultures were not joined together by any common bond.
Simple logical answer...Many local floods yearly. You guys are grasping at straws.
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Old 11-09-2008, 12:29 PM
 
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Your not seeing it.

godspeed,

freedom
Oh it's crystal clear. In one post Campbell says that stories passed down orally become distorted with the oldest one being the most correct and the second I point out Noah's one isn't the oldest then I get a backtrack.
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Old 11-09-2008, 12:57 PM
 
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Simple logical answer...Many local floods yearly. You guys are grasping at straws.
So everytime there is a local flood, the culture of that time forever creates an oral tradition which often tells us the flood was because of the evilness of men. And then they tell us the Gods destroyed all living things except the animals and humans that were in the boat that was built. And it was usually and old man and his family that survived. And many of the legends add, that the old man sent out a crow or a bird to see if it would return with a branch. And he did this, in order to see if the waters had gone down.

Cultures from all over the globe all telling the same story. There is no grasping for straws here, we are seeing the truth of what others have stated from long ago. And these stories mirror what the Bible has already stated. To ignore the similarities of these numerous accounts, I find totally illogical. And of course, if you really do not want to believe the Bible, I can understand why some would want to ignore them.
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Old 11-09-2008, 01:07 PM
 
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Oh it's crystal clear. In one post Campbell says that stories passed down orally become distorted with the oldest one being the most correct and the second I point out Noah's one isn't the oldest then I get a backtrack.
The Bible is the most correct, because that information came from God Himself, the others did not. And I trust the Bible, because no one has ever been able to prove that it's been wrong. And many of the stories written in the Bible, are being proven by historical discovery. The Bible has given us information that other sources could not provide. And for years, non believers in the Bible use to say the story of David, and Israels to Kingdoms were fables. Yet, recent discoveries proved that Israel did have two Kindoms, and there really was a King David. There are many things written in the Scriptures that are being proven in the day we live, and that was just one small example.
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Old 11-09-2008, 01:11 PM
 
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The Bible is the most correct, because that information came from God Himself, the others did not. And I trust the Bible, because no one has ever been able to prove that it's been wrong. And many of the stories written in the Bible, are being proven by historical discovery. The Bible has given us information that other sources could not provide. And for years, non believers in the Bible use to say the story of David, and Israels to Kingdoms were fables. Yet, recent discoveries proved that Israel did have two Kindoms, and there really was a King David. There are many things written in the Scriptures that are being proven in the day we live, and that was just one small example.
Yeah thats nice but you never gave me a good reason as to why it's correct, in fact you inadvertently gave me a pretty good reason as to why it's NOT correct. Special pleading will get you far with fellow believers but I'm afraid it does not stand up to scrutiny.
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Old 11-09-2008, 01:37 PM
 
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So everytime there is a local flood, the culture of that time forever creates an oral tradition which often tells us the flood was because of the evilness of men. And then they tell us the Gods destroyed all living things except the animals and humans that were in the boat that was built. And it was usually and old man and his family that survived. And many of the legends add, that the old man sent out a crow or a bird to see if it would return with a branch. And he did this, in order to see if the waters had gone down.

Cultures from all over the globe all telling the same story. There is no grasping for straws here, we are seeing the truth of what others have stated from long ago. And these stories mirror what the Bible has already stated. To ignore the similarities of these numerous accounts, I find totally illogical. And of course, if you really do not want to believe the Bible, I can understand why some would want to ignore them.
Actually they are not telling the same story.

http://www.talkorigins.org/pdf/flood-myths.pdf
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Old 11-09-2008, 03:34 PM
 
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Yeah thats nice but you never gave me a good reason as to why it's correct, in fact you inadvertently gave me a pretty good reason as to why it's NOT correct. Special pleading will get you far with fellow believers but I'm afraid it does not stand up to scrutiny.
Well rather than give me one of your more general statements, could you give me something that is a little more detailed? What have I stated here, that now gives you a pretty good reason to believe the Bible is not correct?
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Old 11-09-2008, 03:38 PM
 
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Well rather than give me one of your more general statements, could you give me something that is a little more detailed? What have I stated here, that now gives you a pretty good reason to believe the Bible is not correct?
Pretty much everything you type.
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