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I would be agreeable to that if our pal god left any scientific evidence of himself along the way. You might as well say Tony the Tiger created pure Science, Cosmology and the mechanics of Planets. It all amounts to the same.
It's pointless to argue, or even debate when all the opposition has to do is say 'god did it' and they think they are automatically right. If Science is shown to contradict god or religion, then it was obviously sent as a 'test from god' to test our faith... if you disprove the ark story, they say 'all is possible with god', if you show that the old and new testament is full of nothing but lies and contradiction to control the masses, they just say 'god wrote it, he must have a meaning to it that we're just not getting because we're not as great as god'. It's useless, really. Religion and logic will never co-mingle.
So you think all the Prophets, and Seers of the past and present are liars?
That seeking God and hearing the still small voice within has had no positive effects on this earth?
There are those few that have seen Christ, and God and have had the privilege to speak and write about it, the information given in the form of prophesy and powers were very real to those that witnessed the word and power of God.
Or were they all liars and lunatic to you?
Testimony is a reality in the formation of belief, every generation has had examples that they can either embrace or dismiss, we are not just left here without connection and guidance to God.
Unless we wish to be disconnected.
godspeed,
freedom
Although interesting, testimony is not evidence. If it were, Christianity would be in trouble due to the majority of adherents from other religions who claim they believe in the one true religion, and god speaks to them. Plenty of folks claimed to have seen werewolves, dragons, vampires and smurfs. Their testimony is just as unbelievable.
You and I are not so different...you are probably an Atheist to Thor, Odin, Mohammed, Buddha, Zeus, etc. I just take it one god further.
I have no binds, John, I am as free as a bird. But I have someone to say thank you to, when I watch a beautiful sunset, or a star studded black night sky, tonight, an email sent from a real rogue.....he's no churchgoer,... breathtaking pictures of the Northern Lights. The words at the end say God's Handywork. Beautiful Sight! And it was. And I had my creator, to share in those few moments, a unison. Me and Him. I'm sorry that you are unable to share in such feelings. You don't know what your are missing.
Elizabeth, I enjoy such sights as well. Instead of thanking someone imaginary, I simply enjoy that it is, and that is comfort alone.
At least we both appreciate those natural wonders though.
It's pointless to argue, or even debate when all the opposition has to do is say 'god did it' and they think they are automatically right. If Science is shown to contradict god or religion, then it was obviously sent as a 'test from god' to test our faith... if you disprove the ark story, they say 'all is possible with god', if you show that the old and new testament is full of nothing but lies and contradiction to control the masses, they just say 'god wrote it, he must have a meaning to it that we're just not getting because we're not as great as god'. It's useless, really. Religion and logic will never co-mingle.
I agree Jet, though I still continue in case there is that one in a thousand religious person who knows what they believe is not real, and just needs some validation that they are not alone in feeling that.
Also, there are some witty exchanges to be had
But yeah, you are spot on with the "god did it" card that is played.
Although interesting, testimony is not evidence. If it were, Christianity would be in trouble due to the majority of adherents from other religions who claim they believe in the one true religion, and god speaks to them. Plenty of folks claimed to have seen werewolves, dragons, vampires and smurfs. Their testimony is just as unbelievable.
You and I are not so different...you are probably an Atheist to Thor, Odin, Mohammed, Buddha, Zeus, etc. I just take it one god further.
There are gods many, and lords many.. to me there is One God. In that i can be One with Him.
Was it global or just that immediate area (Eastern Mediterranen Sea) that got flooded.
The modern stories imply it was global. If thats the case how did the animals (many as yet undiscovered and we are still discovering new species today) from as yet undiscovered parts of the world (not to mention the native people's) get to that area of the world in time and without perishing on the way?
Its easier to believe if it was just that immediate area where Noah happened to live.
Oh yeah, there's no historical records from the other civilzations/empires/tribes at that time of a lethal flood that ravaged their empires at that timeframe. Thats the sorta thing they'd have remembered and wrote down. Getting your empires destroyed sorta sticks in your head. In particular the more distant countries have no record of it. This sorta supports the theory that the Great Flood wasn't global. So I'm just confused.
Empires that were destroyed would only stick in your head if you were still alive. As it was, the only ones left alive were Noah and the members of his family. The rest of the entire worlds pupulation were kill off in the flood. Almost every culture in the world has a flood story, the Spanish were amazed when they discovered that indians that they were teaching the flood story to, already had the story in their oral traditions. And according to the Bible it was God that brought the animals to the ark two by two. Also since the water rose above the highest mountains it would of had to been a global flood.
It's pointless to argue, or even debate when all the opposition has to do is say 'god did it' and they think they are automatically right. If Science is shown to contradict god or religion, then it was obviously sent as a 'test from god' to test our faith... if you disprove the ark story, they say 'all is possible with god', if you show that the old and new testament is full of nothing but lies and contradiction to control the masses, they just say 'god wrote it, he must have a meaning to it that we're just not getting because we're not as great as god'. It's useless, really. Religion and logic will never co-mingle.
The Bible is being proven by historical discovery, and fulfilled prophecies.
Religion often is a problem, yet the Bible is not religion, and the Bible has been telling you the truth since the beginning.
How did he manage to have carnivores on board with herbivores and everyone behaved? Why did Noah feel the need to dump all the marsupials in Australia only?
The Bible is being proven by historical discovery, and fulfilled prophecies.
Religion often is a problem, yet the Bible is not religion, and the Bible has been telling you the truth since the beginning.
Unfortunately the supernatural aspects of the bible are not proven because some artifacts or buried cities are found that correlate with the bible. Many ancient books reference real places; take Homer's The Iliad for example. All signs point to Troy as a real city, but Apollo is no longer thought of as a real god. Just apply this parallel system to your bible now.
The bible has been telling fables since the beginning. Before you convince us of its truth, you must get past the talking donkey, talking serpent, woman from man's rib, resurrection, etc.
Otherwise let's pick some other exciting fiction to also believe in. I like Star Wars myself.
Otherwise let's pick some other exciting fiction to also believe in. I like Star Wars myself.
Funny you should mention that... my World Religions teacher in college compared god to 'the force', it's invisible, yet some people think they have it, but others are not allowed to. There is a dark and light side to it and you have to be on one or the other. Regarding a different poster and the 'prophet' and fulfilled prophecies, what about Nostradamus? SOME of his prophecies came true, just like the bibles'... People keep calling b.s. on Nostradamus because his prophecies are all up to interpretation, much like....you guessed it...the bible!
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