What do you do in heaven?

[Miss Blue]

WHAT DO YOU DO IN HEAVEN?

I don't spend much time contemplating that question. I trust God will take care of that beyond my best dreams and expectations..I just want to do what is pleasing to him while here on Earth in this physical body..To me Heaven may be that beautifully wrapped present under the Christmas with my name on it and also says..Do not open until last..So like a child I do all I can to abide by what the person providing the gift desires of me..

[ShepsMom]

Originally Posted by popalnet

Take a wine glass and smash it to the ground. What will happen? It will break into a million pieces. What if you kept smashing a wine glass to the ground for eternity. Do you think it might be possible for one of those glasses to form into a serving plate or some other object? It will never happen in a trillion years.

You don't believe it's possible? Why not? I'd like to hear an intelligent answer for this one.

[JetJockey]

My heaven is full of beer volcanos and stripper factories. Nonstop parties with the FSM! Of course...he doesn't want us to spend all our time to worship Him, He's not that self-centered....

[JohnnyJLethal]

Originally Posted by mahmoud mrt

[FONT=Verdana]My personal view after reading in Islam is that eternal torture is not there.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana]Eternal hell is there but eternal torture is not.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana]So if i'm in paradise and i know a relative of me is in hell, I know that he is being punished fairly for his sins in order to deserve paradise, so i'll meet him eventually[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]If he has not atom of good then paradise to him will be hell, he can't live in paradise cause he'll hate it, he can't be thankful towards God a single second, so paradise is worse than hell to them.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana]So i understand that after punishment for his sins, he'll stay in hell in a low rank of living, they can do crimes to each other there.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana]That's why we can understand the verse telling that persons in paradise will laugh on persons who are in hell for eternity, cause those in hell are not in torture any more, after being punished for their sins even after a very long punishment, they live as they chose, doing crimes every day. This is laughable of course. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana]This has no other meaning than they are not punished, cause persons do not laugh on someone who is suffering, and God is the most merciful as mentioned in the holy Qur'an many times and before each chapter.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana]Peace [/FONT]

We obviously have different understandings of good and evil.

[ahteist2]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

First you have to believe the myths in order to be scared.. For my fiction I'd prefer a Steven King novel....Now some of his are scary!

OK ? So I assume you are not a christian ....

[sanspeur]

You assume correctly...I'm an atheist.

[rifleman]

Originally Posted by [B

soonerguy[/b];6065448] Maybe some of you should actually attempt to set foot in a church. You might be surprised at the welcome you would find.

Actually, soonerguy, I'm assuming a whole lot of the atheists here HAVE, like me, set more than a foot into a church. Their illogical fear-mongering and finger-wagging just didn't "resonate" with me after I spent quite a long time considering the church's messages. Actually I initially believed it blindly, like you, but as I questioned the various screwy literal interpretations that simply ignored dinosaurs, accurate and factual atomic and geologic dating, the obvious links between animals and us through the ever-improving sciences of genetics and evolution, and the direct hate-mongering against science per se.... well, eventually I wised up. I didn't get stupider. I learned more, absorbed more, thought more, and finally re-positioned my mind.

Originally Posted by [B

la monumental[/b];6072720]so many great things. you meet your grandparents, your family and all your friends. it is not possible to understand what it is like because it is so special.

Do you perchance remember all of those dinners or holiday festivites where the whole family got together? Great fun for the first hour or so, and then old Uncle Al's mumbling about today's youth or Aunt Annie's rants about the bible, etc. finally left everyone only too happy to leave by 10:00pm. Imagine if you COULDN'T EVER GET AWAY! Oh my....

Originally Posted by [B

I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA[/b];6076366] Me too! I don't care what we'll doing or not doing, I do know it will be better that life here in this world.

Respectfully, ILNC, that's too bad. This means you can't enjoy anything in this so-called horrible life, that only a heavenly destination is worth living for, all the while genuflecting madly and apologizing to your god. Hmm... To reflect a quote from quite a few Christian fear-mongerers on these very forums, I now ask: "But what if you're wrong" and I'm not? Answer me that hypothetical question please. What if you're wrong?

[quote=[B]firstborn888[/b];6077879]Heaven is not a literal place you go to do things. It is a spiritual place you become to be things.[/quote]

Gotta admit, firstborn, you got me here. What?

Originally Posted by [B

popalnet[/b];6105423]I haven't read all the posts, but the only thing I can say is that heaven will be a place that our brain capacity can't even comprehend. No, not even Einstein. It will be such a place that there would be no such thing as boredom.

Our brain capacity will come up with all kinds of answers to tell us this or that, but I'm sure we will all find out when our time comes.

I see too many evidences of a supreme being.

Example – how did this thing called the atmosphere above earth come about? This thing protects the Earth from the Sun’s radiation. How about all those meteorites that are flying all over the universe? How is it that it doesn’t hit the Earth and destroy it?

Actually we've been hit many times. Ask the dinosaurs! Note also that other planets (Jupiter, for example) have perfectly good atmospheres. I expect we'll find tens of thousands of planets with atmospheres when we get out there. No-one said those atmospheres had to support our lifetypes.

How about the rotation of Earth and movement of Earth around the sun? If it was off by a second, it would doom Earth. These are just a few of the millions of examples that explain that there must be something superior to make all this happen.

This is all bunk. Doomed if off by a second? Who fed you this info? In fact the Earth is changing it's time to circulate around the sun by a few seconds each and every year. God, we'd all better duck and cover, eh?

Please get your "theories" straight.

I don’t buy the theory that this is all an accident.

Whose theory is that again? I'm not sure you've ever read a good biology text book. Science doesn't postulate an accident, but rather a fortunate accumulation of potentially positive interactions or pre-conditions. Which, BTW, can be duplicated in a petri dish in any high school lab. I know you'd argue, but nonetheless, it can be shown that simple in-organic structures can and do merge into more complex molecules. Then, given some conditions that existed in the primordial ocean broth, they can easily, logically, understandibly lead to simple life.

For anyone that can explain these miracles and say that there is no one single supreme being – please educate me.

Just did. Again, please read a modern intro-biology text, if you dare. I, after all, read the bible and then rejected it. Aren't you even a bit curious, or are you happy with accepting others' interpretations? Again, I ask, "What if you're wrong?"

Originally Posted by [B

popalnet[/b];6107396] I haven't read any book that proves that God does not exist. If there is, please let me know.

Alternately, science hypothesizes, "Show us a book that PROVES, to our simple standards, and absent simple faith, some proof that God DOES exist." If there is, please let me know.

Remember though, the bible doesn't constitute proof to a skeptic. Not that we can't or don't want to be convinced; we just like something beyond circular arguments.

By simple logic, if one is convinced of even a few of the observations and conclusions that science has brought to us, one cannot then also believe in a literal interpretation of the bible. And the arguments of the more dogmatic fundamentalists simply drive home the illogic of their convictions. So, yes, we atheists do become more hard-core in our beliefs.

I do know a little about what the bible says, but I don't know the bible 100%. Probably not even 1%. Is there anyone that has memorized the entire bible?

Please advise me on what subjects I should educate myself.

A basic biology course for starters. Then move on to a "200" level genetics course so you'll undcerstand the rather simple mechanics of evolution. Then perhaps an intro course in astro-mechanics, and a course in logic and finally the philosophy of religions. Not "The Religion" mind you, but rather a course that compares all of the world's religions. Can they ALL be true? Must be, eh, because so many people have been killed in their various names, versions and hardline precepts.

You know, every single one of us will taste death. What happens to each and everyone of us after we taste death? Can science tell us that?

Nope. Science, unlike religion, never claims to know everything. That's the purview of despots, mono-theist preachers and Kool-Aide drinkers.

But I'd rather put my faith in a logical process that has elucidated millions of provable facts than to belong to a cult that advocates book and witch burning and the suppression of science as somehow "evil". How about you?

Even after we discover everything and how everything formed, science will still not be able to answer where those particles that attributed to life came from.

And so we should throw out what has been learned? Just because we don't have all the final answers yet? On that basis you'd rather throw it all out the window? We don't yet have the anti-bacterial solution for MRSA (Google it if you don't know it, but it's a recently EVOLVED new bacterial species), but heaven help you if YOU get it and they were to have stopped doing any research (you know, science in action?) to find an answer.

As I said before, some will say that it was just an accident. If that's the case, then try this:

Take a wine glass and smash it to the ground. What will happen? It will break into a million pieces. What if you kept smashing a wine glass to the ground for eternity. Do you think it might be possible for one of those glasses to form into a serving plate or some other object? It will never happen in a trillion years.

You're right. This is , however, illogical. No scientist says that one day, out of a bunch of shattered dissarray, a bunch of creature types started forming up. Instantly. I, however, can, in an organized fashion, gather up those shards of glass, re-melt them and re-spin a new glass serving plate. The facilitator in the case of organisms is the rather simple and provable "theory" of evolution through adaptation of errant DNA transcription. No mystical mumbo-jumbo required.

As an alternate though, Christianity would have us believe that your god, one afternoon, simply tossed some dust up into the air and a complete nice Anglo-Saxon white male, complete with a navel and co-existing pet T-Rex (god I'd love to see THAT short-lived pet ownership...) suddenly appeared. Sound a bit unlikely to you too? [/quote]

[quote=JohnJLethal;6107469]Thanks for taking the time to read my response. That is refreshing.

The mechanics of science have always existed, but humans have had to take the necessary time to achieve understanding, which has become progressively faster.

We obviously don't have all the answers, which must be earned over time with the appropriate work.

That said, amazing discoveries are there for the taking when humans develop the technology to uncover them in the future.

There are scientific answers to unanswered questions, and we must admit that they might not be known in our lifetimes. Collectively, we move society forward (Scientists do, mainly ), and we are cogs in the wheel so to speak.

Most of us here do not possess a Scientist's level of understanding on the various disciplines, but that does not mean the science is not true.

Perhaps in generations to come, future scientists will answer those questions.

JohnJLethal, I have no doubts. In fact, in this I actually have faith! Unfortunately you and I will not be "looking down" from anywhere to watch it all. So "Live Long and Prosper"

I'm done. Thank god!