physical proof (Revelations, believer, perspective, minority)

[moonsun]

Originally Posted by elwill

this verse is from quran
It is He Who created night and day and the sun and moon, each one swimming in a sphere. (Qur'an, 21:33)


And We have decreed set phases for the moon, until it ends up looking like an old date branch. It is not for the sun to overtake the moon nor for the night to outstrip the day; each one is swimming in a sphere. (Qur'an, 36:39-40)

you can read the entire context with many translations here if you like
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i am sorry elwill

i did not see your replay

[MontanaGuy]

Thanks moonsun and elwill

[moonsun]

Originally Posted by effie briest

i found this - to my great delight. making my day, today.

Consciousness in the Single Neuron | Science & Consciousness Review

thank you effie

good link

but i don't get the point for your link in this post


could you or any one enlighten me?

[effie g-tad]

Originally Posted by moonsun

thank you effie

good link

but i don't get the point for your link in this post


could you or any one enlighten me?

moonsun, better "any one" rather than me, because the point seems to have vanished - miraculously..

But then, do you have an idea how late it is already? (Here, i mean?)

[MontanaGuy]

effie wrote:

But then, do you have an idea how late it is already? (Here, i mean?)

Yes, it's almost midnight.

[moonsun]

The prophet Mahammad (prayer and peace upon him ) used to have guards to protect him from any one want to kill him or hurt him

then he got a verse from Allah that Allah will protect him.

immediately he dismissed the guards.


for some one who is fake and smart and could fool his people and all of the world he will not fool him self and he will not say such verse and he will not for any reason dismiss his guard.


Sura #5 Al-Maeda The Table Spread

67
O Messenger. proclaim the (message) which hath been sent to thee from thy Lord.
If thou didst not, thou wouldst not have fulfilled and proclaimed His mission.
And Allah will defend thee from men (who mean mischief).
For Allah guideth not those who reject Faith.

[moonsun]

BARRIER BETWEEN SWEET AND SALT WATERS

“He has let free the two bodies of flowing water, meeting together: Between them is a Barrier which they do not transgress.” - [Al-Qur’an 55:19-20]

This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has its own temperature, salinity and density.9 Oceanologists are now in a better position to explain this verse. There is a slanted unseen water barrier between the two seas through which water from one sea passes to the other.
But when the water from one sea enters the other sea, it loses its distinctive characteristic and becomes homogenized with the other water. In a way this barrier serves as a transitional homogenizing area for the two waters.
This phenomenon is also mentioned in the following verse of the Qur’an:

“And made a separating bar between the two bodies of flowing water?” [Al-Qur’an 27:61]

This phenomenon occurs in several places, including the divider between the Mediterranean and the Atlantic Ocean at Gibralter. A white bar can also be clearly seen at Cape Point, Cape Peninsula, South Africa where the Atlantic Ocean meets the Indian Ocean.
But when the Qur’an speaks about the divider between fresh and salt water, it mentions the existence of “a forbidding partition” with the barrier.

“It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: one palatable and sweet, and the other salty and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, and a partition that is forbidden to be passed. [Al-Qur’an 25:53]

Modern science has discovered that in estuaries, where fresh (sweet) and salt water meet, the situation is somewhat different from that found in places where two salt water seas meet. It has been discovered that what distinguishes fresh water from salt water in estuaries is a “pycnocline zone with a marked density discontinuity separating the two layers.”10 This partition (zone of separation) has a salinity different from both the fresh water and the salt water.11
This phenomenon occurs in several places, including Egypt, where the river Nile flows into the Mediterranean Sea.
These scientific phenomena mentioned in the Qur’an was also confirmed by Dr. William Hay, a well-known marine scientist and Professor of Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, U.S.A.

http://www.islamhouse.com/d/files/en/ih_books/signal/en_Quran_and_Modern_Science.pdf
Dr. Zakir

[moonsun]

In geology, the phenomenon of ‘folding’, is a recently discovered fact. Folding is responsible for the formation of mountain ranges. The earth’s crust, on which we live, is like a solid shell, while the deeper layers are hot and fluid, and thus inhospitable to any form of life. It is also known that the stability of the mountains is linked to the phenomenon of folding, for it was the folds that were to provide foundations for the reliefs that constitute the mountains.
Geologists tell us that the radius of the Earth is about 6,035 km and the crust on which we live is very thin, ranging between 2 to 35 km. Since the crust is thin, it has a high possibility of shaking. Mountains act like stakes or tent pegs that hold the earth’s crust and give it stability.
The Qur’an contains exactly such a description:
“Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, and the mountains as pegs?” (Al-Qur’an 78:6-7)
The word awtaad means stakes or pegs (like those used to anchor a tent); they are the deep foundations of geological folds.
A book entitled ‘Earth’ is regarded as a basic reference textbook on geology in many universities around the world. One of the authors of this book is Dr. Frank Press, who was the President of the Academy of Sciences in the USA for 12 years and was the Science Advisor to former US President Jimmy Carter. In this book, he illustrates the mountain in a wedge-shape and the mountain itself as a small part of the whole, whose root is deeply entrenched in the ground.[SIZE=1]1[/SIZE] According to Dr. Press, the mountains play an important role in stabilizing the crust of the earth.
The Qur’an clearly mentions the function of the mountains in preventing the earth from shaking:
“And We have set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with them.” (Al-Qur’an 21:31) [SIZE=1]2[/SIZE]
The Qur’anic descriptions are in perfect agreement with modern geological data.
http://www.islamhouse.com/d/files/en/ih_books/signal/en_Quran_and_Modern_Science.pdf
Dr. Zakir

[moonsun]

Originally Posted by elwill

During the first 40 days of gestation, all the body parts and organs are completely, though consecutively, formed.

The Prophet Muhammad, (pbuh), has informed us in a hadeeth that:
In every one of you, all components of your creation are gathered together in your mothers’ womb by 40 days.(Narrated in Saheeh Muslim and Al-Bukhaari).
In another Hadeeth, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: When forty-two nights have passed over the drop (nutfah), Allah sends an angel to it, who shapes it and makes its ears, eyes, skin, flesh and bones. Then he says, "O Lord, is it male or female?" and your Lord decides what he wishes.(Narrated in Saheeh Muslim).

Professor Simpson studied these two hadeeths extensively, noting that the first 40 days constitute a clearly distinguishable stage of embryogenesis. He was particularly impressed by the absolute precision and accuracy of those hadeeths.

by the way , Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson : is the Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, and Professor of Molecular and Human Genetics at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA . Formerly, he was Professor of Ob-Gyn and the Chairman of the Department of Ob-Gyn at the University of Tennessee , Memphis, Tennessee, USA.He was also the President of the American Fertility Society. He has recieved many awards

another proof

[moonsun]

elwill wrote

Originally Posted by elwill

i posted this one within another thread , but unfortunatly no responses back to me , and i really hope to hear some refutations or objections about it or any kind of reaction about it


one of the verses are talking about angels

32-5 (Allah) Rules the cosmic affair from the heavens to the Earth. Then this affair travels to Him a distance in one day, at a measure of one thousand years of what you count.

the verse is talking about the angels whom carry out these orders from heavens to the earth .
in the time of mohammed (pbuh) people measured the distances neither in kilometers nor in miles but rather by how much time they needed to walk.

For example, a village two days away meant a distance equivalent to walking for two days; ten days away meant a distance equivalent to walking for ten days... However in this verse the Quran specifies 1000 years of what they counted (not what they walked). Those people back then followed the lunar calendar and counted 12 lunar months each year. These months are related to the moon and not related to the sun. Hence in 1 day the angels will travel a distance of 1000 years of what they counted (the moon). Since this verse is referring to distance, then God is saying that angels travel in one day the same distance that the moon travels in 12000 lunar orbits.

Outside gravitational fields this speed turned out to be the known speed of light , which means that the speed of the angles equal the speed of the light
(mslems believe that angels are low density creatures, and that God created them originally from light )


yet , i didn't proof anything , be patient


there is another verse in the quran informes us different informations about traveling of angles from earth to heaven which say

70-4 The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day, the measure of which is fifty thousand years.

Here angels will experience 1 day while humans will measure it as 50,000 years (time vs. time and not time vs. distance as the previous lunar verse)


However, according to the theory of special relativity, given this time difference (time dilation), we can calculate the speed at which that object traveled.

We can verify if those angels really accelerate up to the speed of light, as claimed by Moslems, on the first verse



Where ∆to is the time measured for a mover by a mover;
∆t is the time measured for a mover by a stationary frame; v is the velocity of the mover relative to the stationary observer)
∆to is the time experienced by angels (1 day).
∆t is the time as measured by humans (50,000 lunar years x12 lunar months/lunar year x 27.321661 days/lunar month).
v is the velocity of angels in this case (which we intend to calculate and then compare to the known speed of light).
c is the known speed of light 2997924.48 km/s, the speed of light in vacuum


From the above equation we can solve for the unknown velocity:


So let’s insert the Moslem claims and see if their angels really accelerate up to the speed of light or not. Insert dates from this verse The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day, the measure of which is fifty thousand years into the formula




v = 299792.4579999994 km / s ( and this is the speed of light )