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Old 08-13-2009, 11:54 AM
 
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which religion havn't apologists , even atheism have apologists !
Scuze me, but there is no "Athiest Bible" to be apologetic about.

Athiests don't rely on flawed ancient scriptures for their world view, and neither do I.

 
Old 08-13-2009, 11:55 AM
 
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anothr proof

the iron was not part of the earth
Iron was sent from Space.
two clips from disovery channel talking about this fact (minutes 3.22 and 5.20)
So... let me get this straight... a Discovery Channel™ (Praise be the media!) speculation that you happen to like proves that "we", the royal "WE", "sent down" the meteor that may be in the center of this planet now? Were we can't get at it? BTE, I thought that was where hell is?

We don't even know, that there is an iron core, but the evidence for it was developed by physicists and astronomers, based on predictive theory and the behavior of our Earth relative to the sun. Deductive reasoning, not the Q-ran! Even if it is iron, and has been thermally distilled and purified by density separation, rotation and it's molten state, so what? An alternate theory, BTW, is that it is largely made of decaying radioactive elements, hence the heat. Iron is not a heat-generating element, unlike, say, U238 or others.

so, oyu speculate, and base an entire religion on that speculation.

But the graphically depicted impact was quite simply a random collision between the primordial earth and a mostly iron orbiting body. What about the dozens, hundreds even, of impacts of bodies made mostly of ice? Or of, say, a muddy collaboration of other metals and carboniferous residue? Why not claim that as part of some grand plan?

Why be selective in your interpretation? Just because it fits the greater mythology?

I like the FSM story better! Easier to "digest"!
 
Old 08-15-2009, 04:01 AM
 
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So... let me get this straight... a Discovery Channelâ„¢ (Praise be the media!) speculation that you happen to like proves that "we", the royal "WE", "sent down" the meteor that may be in the center of this planet now? Were we can't get at it? BTE, I thought that was where hell is?

We don't even know, that there is an iron core, but the evidence for it was developed by physicists and astronomers, based on predictive theory and the behavior of our Earth relative to the sun. Deductive reasoning, not the Q-ran! Even if it is iron, and has been thermally distilled and purified by density separation, rotation and it's molten state, so what? An alternate theory, BTW, is that it is largely made of decaying radioactive elements, hence the heat. Iron is not a heat-generating element, unlike, say, U238 or others.

so, oyu speculate, and base an entire religion on that speculation.

But the graphically depicted impact was quite simply a random collision between the primordial earth and a mostly iron orbiting body. What about the dozens, hundreds even, of impacts of bodies made mostly of ice? Or of, say, a muddy collaboration of other metals and carboniferous residue? Why not claim that as part of some grand plan?

Why be selective in your interpretation? Just because it fits the greater mythology?

I like the FSM story better! Easier to "digest"!
i don't undesrstand exactly your objections , but scientifically it was proofed that White dwarf supernovas have given us most of the iron that the Earth is largely made of

Arizona State University issued the following news release about the paper: White dwarf supernovas have given us most of the iron that the Earth is largely made of and helped us measure the size and age of the universe, but exactly what kind of star causes these explosions has remained a matter of debate. Now, astronomers believe that they have shown that a specific type of binary star system causes the phenomenon and predict that observed systems of this type will evolve into white dwarf supernovas.
Astronomers identify source for Earth's iron and Universe's "standard candles": Los Alamos National Laboratory (http://www.lanl.gov/news/index.php/fuseaction/nb.story/story_id/4655 - broken link)


 
Old 08-15-2009, 07:17 PM
 
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i don't undesrstand exactly your objections , but scientifically it was proofed that White dwarf supernovas have given us most of the iron that the Earth is largely made of

Arizona State University issued the following news release about the paper: White dwarf supernovas have given us most of the iron that the Earth is largely made of and helped us measure the size and age of the universe, but exactly what kind of star causes these explosions has remained a matter of debate. Now, astronomers believe that they have shown that a specific type of binary star system causes the phenomenon and predict that observed systems of this type will evolve into white dwarf supernovas.
Astronomers identify source for Earth's iron and Universe's "standard candles": Los Alamos National Laboratory (http://www.lanl.gov/news/index.php/fuseaction/nb.story/story_id/4655 - broken link)

If true and accurate, said stars suppulied EVERYWHERE with iron, not just the Earth.
 
Old 08-17-2009, 10:06 AM
 
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If true and accurate, said stars suppulied EVERYWHERE with iron, not just the Earth.
quran didn't say that just the earth is the only place which be suplied by iron
 
Old 08-17-2009, 12:24 PM
 
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quran didn't say that just the earth is the only place which be suplied by iron
Real accurate book to.

I'll stick with science, thank you.
 
Old 08-17-2009, 01:06 PM
 
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Real accurate book to.

I'll stick with science, thank you.
offcousre , it's a great step
 
Old 08-17-2009, 03:19 PM
 
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offcousre , it's a great step
A great (as in large and long) step away from yoru religion, certainly.

None of the Abrahamics ahve any "science" within their scripture, no amtter how much you twist reality into some unrecognizable lump to make it fit your religion.
 
Old 08-17-2009, 04:15 PM
 
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Man had very little understanding of the workings of the physical world. Day/night, stars, sun, the moon, seasons, fire, etc. etc. It scared him that he didn't know the 'why' so what we now call urban legends were conceived. Then it was all attributed to an invisible deity that controlled the unexplainable, man called it religion, and man was happy.

Now it is embarrassing as the 'urban legends' are morphed to match our understanding of the physical world, yet does not have the courage to just admit "we were wrong". Those still following these urban legends are very much like the small minority that still firmly believe the earth is flat, in spite of all the evidence.
SAY AMEN! Religion has been a source of ignorance and misinformation (not to mention hatred and violence) from the very beginning. Time and time again faith based beliefs like the earth is the center of the universe, the stars are fires from heaven, etc etc etc, have been debunked by science yet the feeble minded still cling to these fairy tales from the Dark Ages (as in cave person days).
 
Old 08-18-2009, 03:52 PM
 
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SAY AMEN! Religion has been a source of ignorance and misinformation (not to mention hatred and violence) from the very beginning. Time and time again faith based beliefs like the earth is the center of the universe, the stars are fires from heaven, etc etc etc, have been debunked by science yet the feeble minded still cling to these fairy tales from the Dark Ages (as in cave person days).
what you are saying applies to books invented by men or books supposed to be from God but has been changed and altered

but it does not apply on the quran .

every word in the quran is by God

and he promised to save the quran
The Quran is a record of the exact words revealed by God through the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad. It was memorized by Muhammad and then dictated to his Companions, and written down by scribes, who cross-checked it during his lifetime. Not one word of its 114 chapters, Suras, has been changed over the centuries, so that the Quran is in every detail the unique and miraculous text which was revealed to Muhammad fourteen centuries ago.
Understanding Islam and the Muslims - What is the Qur`an?
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