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Old 11-22-2008, 04:11 AM
 
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And Christians since the earliest have thought it would happen in THEIR lifetime. Why are you special?

2 years time? Ok, so your prophecy has a time limit. Get back to me in 2 years when there are still Jews outside of Israel.

BTW, Israel is slightly smaller than New Jersey, and Israel's population is already 6 million (ref). New Jersey has a population of 8 million (ref (http://www.wnjpin.state.nj.us/OneStopCareerCenter/LaborMarketInformation/lmi25/pl94/GCT2.pdf - broken link)), and has the highest pop. density in America (ref). There are 13 million Jews in the world, and 37% live in Israel already (ref). If 9 million more Jews moved to Israel, that would mean there would be 15 million people living in Israel, which would be almost double the pop. density of NJ.
I'm don't think of myself as special, yet when I was about 4 or 5 years old I had a vision or a dream of the Anti-Christ. I did not know who he was when I was so young, but I know what I saw now.

The two years will begin after nations north of America begin to threaten us with war. From that point on, America will have only two years left.
Russia, and a number of Islamic nations will be involved. I don't see this happening yet. That will be farther down the road. America will expierence a number of set backs before such a thing happens to her.

Christian have watched for the coming of Christ from the time He died on the cross, yet wanting Him to come, and correct prophecy are two different things. The only time Christ could return was after the Jews first returned to the land of Israel. And they had to do this in the order of the prophecies. This return was started when Israel proclaimed itself a nation in 1948. It took almost two thousand years for that prophecy to be fulfilled, yet here we are today. Also, when that prophecy would be fulfilled the nations of the East would have to be able to field an army of 200 million men. It is doubtful in the past there were even that many men on earth, let alone an army that size. In 1948 Israel became a nation. In 1960 China in the East said they could raise up an army of 200 million men. Strange as it may seem, China gave the same number as found in the Bible.

Also, other Christian people are starting to have visions of the endtimes as well, so it appears things are starting to heat up. Another prophecy states that in the end, the earth will begin to heat up and men will curse God because of the heat. Today, we are looking at the beginning of global warming, which would go right along with the prophecies of the Bible.
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Old 11-22-2008, 06:52 AM
 
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Come on Campbell, that is just a lot of typical fundamentalist Christian paranoia, nothing more...Visions indeed!
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Old 11-22-2008, 11:00 AM
 
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I'm don't think of myself as special, yet when I was about 4 or 5 years old I had a vision or a dream of the Anti-Christ. I did not know who he was when I was so young, but I know what I saw now.

The two years will begin after nations north of America begin to threaten us with war. From that point on, America will have only two years left.
Russia, and a number of Islamic nations will be involved. I don't see this happening yet. That will be farther down the road. America will expierence a number of set backs before such a thing happens to her.

Christian have watched for the coming of Christ from the time He died on the cross, yet wanting Him to come, and correct prophecy are two different things. The only time Christ could return was after the Jews first returned to the land of Israel. And they had to do this in the order of the prophecies. This return was started when Israel proclaimed itself a nation in 1948. It took almost two thousand years for that prophecy to be fulfilled, yet here we are today. Also, when that prophecy would be fulfilled the nations of the East would have to be able to field an army of 200 million men. It is doubtful in the past there were even that many men on earth, let alone an army that size. In 1948 Israel became a nation. In 1960 China in the East said they could raise up an army of 200 million men. Strange as it may seem, China gave the same number as found in the Bible.

Also, other Christian people are starting to have visions of the endtimes as well, so it appears things are starting to heat up. Another prophecy states that in the end, the earth will begin to heat up and men will curse God because of the heat. Today, we are looking at the beginning of global warming, which would go right along with the prophecies of the Bible.
I mean this with no hostility intended, but have you ever considered that you might be imbalanced in some way? I feel strongly about things as well, but I don't create realities out of dreams or balloons flying in the sky. I understand you want to feel a part of something with every fiber of your being, but review of your posts might be something you would want to consider.

Many religious people want to feel that "end times" or something monumentally important is going to occur in their lifetime, but nothing does happen. They are just cogs in the wheel from one generation to another.
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Old 11-22-2008, 03:04 PM
 
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And Christians since the earliest have thought it would happen in THEIR lifetime. Why are you special?
How true this is, Logic.

History has seen no end of end-of-the-world hysteria over the centuries, all of it turning out to be (need I say?) a big, embarrassing, damp squib.

Jesus himself was big on the final days, promising his listeners on one occasion that none of them would 'see death' before the Kingdom of god arrived. He fully expected the end to come in his own lifetime, as all his statements prove, but unfortunately, the Jewish Sanhedrin and the Romans got him first.

Ever since, people have looked for, and found, ample evidence that they were living in the 'end days,' as when the Western world convinced itself that the approach of the year 1000 ad signified the return of Christ, with much hysteria all round.

An old friend of mine announced she was happy to die in 1980 because she would be spared the Apocalyptical fireworks, reasoning that the biblical prophesy of 'the 10 coming together' just before the end, proved the inevitability of Christ's re-appearance. At the time, the European union was about to be joined by its tenth member - and this was the signifier, apparently.

Since then, the EU has gone on expanding year by year, so my friend's unshakeable conviction was proved wrong, as always.
What it shows is that folks will always look for signs that their favoured beliefs are being confirmed. I's a trend that's alive and well in many Christian circles as I write, but THIS TIME......it could be a different matter.

Brian.

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Old 11-22-2008, 06:50 PM
 
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I mean this with no hostility intended, but have you ever considered that you might be imbalanced in some way? I feel strongly about things as well, but I don't create realities out of dreams or balloons flying in the sky. I understand you want to feel a part of something with every fiber of your being, but review of your posts might be something you would want to consider.

Many religious people want to feel that "end times" or something monumentally important is going to occur in their lifetime, but nothing does happen. They are just cogs in the wheel from one generation to another.

Well no, I have never felt imbalanced, and I can say that with confidence because when God points something out in my life some future action soon follows which shows me that an imbalance would not account for that action.

Once God reminded me that I had not prayed about getting a job, so I did, and as soon as I said the (A) of Amen, the phone next to me began to ring, and the perosn on the other end of the line ask if I could start work for their company the next monday morning. When I picked up the phone, I was still on my knees.

Another time while I was in the middle of a prayer, God suddenly spoke to me and told me my wife was going to have a child. About 4 hours after I got home, my wife got sick, and we soon discovered she was pregnant.

Another time I went to bed worried about how I was going to sell our condo. When I went to bed that night, and it was just when I was ready to fall asleep God spoke to me again. His exact words, "Tom, I know you are having a hard time living the life, but if you continue to follw me I will take care of you, and Tom I love you". Shortly after that, a woman flew into Chicago and put up a paper on or condo building door. She had to have a condo on the first floor, it had to have 2 bedrooms, and the condo had to face north. Since we were the only ones that had one like that for sale, we sold our condo to that woman.

Another time I was working for a company call Viskase, I was the 4 to 12 mechanic in their printing area. Two mechanics came over on loan and there names were Mike and Bob. One of the first things that statred to do was put porn up in my shop. So just as fast as they would put it up, I would take it down. So one day I put up a Moody Bible Insititute calendar with a Bible verse for each month. They then started to put the porn over the Bible verses. Then they left me a note and told me that if I messed with their porn again they would rip my F-in face off. Well I finally said, you know God, there are two of these guys and only one of me, do you think you could do something to defuse the situation here? About two days later neither one of them were at work, I was told that Bob had a mental break down, and Mike's daughter suddenly came down with a brain tumor. Bob was in the hospital being treated for his mental disorder, and Mike was seeing a priest feeling his actions brought on his daughters illness. All involved recovered, and it led to a thaw in relations between us. Mike's daughter recovered, and Bob even sent me a Christmas card that year.

Another time back in 1969 I told God that I was going to join the Navy. God made clear to me that is not what He wanted for me. So I told God that I still was going into the Navy, and we would have to take up our relationship after boot camp. On April 24,1969 I passed my Navy physical and knew that shortly I would be on my way. However, on that same day I passed my physical, I accidently got caught on a 7,400 volt eletrical line, and ended up spending 7 weeks in the hospital. There is more to the story, but to make a long story short, that pretty much ended my Navy career. God often plays hard ball with me, I don't know why, He just does. The Bible tells us that God chastises those He most loves, well if that is the case, He must really love me.

From the very beginning I never doubted God, I always believe in Him, and God appears to injoy revealing Himself to me. I have never had a friend quite like Jesus, and I have had some real experiences with Him. The reality of God is so real to me, that I have no fear of death at all, because I know who will be waiting for me on the otherside. I have other stories to tell, but I feel this is enought for now. Jesus is a God of wonder.
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Old 11-22-2008, 07:14 PM
 
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How true this is, Logic.

History has seen no end of end-of-the-world hysteria over the centuries, all of it turning out to be (need I say?) a big, embarrassing, damp squib.

Jesus himself was big on the final days, promising his listeners on one occasion that none of them would 'see death' before the Kingdom of god arrived. He fully expected the end to come in his own lifetime, as all his statements prove, but unfortunately, the Jewish Sanhedrin and the Romans got him first.

Ever since, people have looked for, and found, ample evidence that they were living in the 'end days,' as when the Western world convinced itself that the approach of the year 1000 ad signified the return of Christ, with much hysteria all round.

An old friend of mine announced she was happy to die in 1980 because she would be spared the Apocalyptical fireworks, reasoning that the biblical prophesy of 'the 10 coming together' just before the end, proved the inevitability of Christ's re-appearance. At the time, the European union was about to be joined by its tenth member - and this was the signifier, apparently.

Since then, the EU has gone on expanding year by year, so my friend's unshakeable conviction was proved wrong, as always.
What it shows is that folks will always look for signs that their favoured beliefs are being confirmed. I's a trend that's alive and well in many Christian circles as I write, but THIS TIME......it could be a different matter.

Brian.
What people believe, and what the Bible actually states is often two different things. Jesus did say some would not taste of death before they would see Him return. Yet if you read just the next verse or two you would discover that did happen, and it happened in a vision, and it was called the transfiguration. Because it happened right after Jesus made that statement, it should be obvious to all what Jesus was speaking about. Also, Jesus stated that Israel would have to first return to their own land before He could return, and at this time it would be another 70 years before they were to be remove by the Romans, so their return would have to of happen much later. Jesus did not believe the end would come in His life time, in the Book of Revelation, which was the Revelation to John by Jesus Christ it clearly states that before Christ could return the nations of the East would have to be able to field an army of 200 million men. Back in Christ time that would of been impossible, yet in 1960 China stated that they could now field an army of 200 million men, the exact number stated in the Bible, and they could do this in the day that Israel is now a nation once again. The Bible has much to say about Europe, but I believe it has much more to say about the future of America. And it does this in great detail.
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Old 11-22-2008, 07:20 PM
 
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Come on Campbell, that is just a lot of typical fundamentalist Christian paranoia, nothing more...Visions indeed!
Sometime around the year 1954 I had a vision or a drem of the Anti-Christ. It has nothing to do with paranoia, I am simply stating a fact that I cannot deny. I don't make up stories here, I am dead serious.
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Old 11-23-2008, 10:42 AM
 
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What people believe, and what the Bible actually states is often two different things. Jesus did say some would not taste of death before they would see Him return. Yet if you read just the next verse or two you would discover that did happen, and it happened in a vision, and it was called the transfiguration. Because it happened right after Jesus made that statement, it should be obvious to all what Jesus was speaking about. Also, Jesus stated that Israel would have to first return to their own land before He could return, and at this time it would be another 70 years before they were to be remove by the Romans, so their return would have to of happen much later. Jesus did not believe the end would come in His life time, in the Book of Revelation, which was the Revelation to John by Jesus Christ it clearly states that before Christ could return the nations of the East would have to be able to field an army of 200 million men. Back in Christ time that would of been impossible, yet in 1960 China stated that they could now field an army of 200 million men, the exact number stated in the Bible, and they could do this in the day that Israel is now a nation once again. The Bible has much to say about Europe, but I believe it has much more to say about the future of America. And it does this in great detail.
Dear me! You Americans!

I know the whole planet is meant to revolve around the USA, which is why the average true-blue Yank knows so very little about the rest of life on earth. But this xenophobia is reaching new heights if you seriously believe that some primitive desert people in the Middle East 3000 years ago had the remotest interest in a continent that hadn't even been discovered, your powers of self-delusion break all previous records.

Please don't make America a laughing stock, there are far too many rational Americans that are probably as horrified by such delusions of grandure as the rest of the world is.

The world will end when it reaches the end of its geological life, like all planets. To say otherwise is nothing but lurid human fantasy.
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Old 11-23-2008, 07:08 PM
 
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Dear me! You Americans!

I know the whole planet is meant to revolve around the USA, which is why the average true-blue Yank knows so very little about the rest of life on earth. But this xenophobia is reaching new heights if you seriously believe that some primitive desert people in the Middle East 3000 years ago had the remotest interest in a continent that hadn't even been discovered, your powers of self-delusion break all previous records.

Please don't make America a laughing stock, there are far too many rational Americans that are probably as horrified by such delusions of grandure as the rest of the world is.

The world will end when it reaches the end of its geological life, like all planets. To say otherwise is nothing but lurid human fantasy.
You could of made the same arguement for the state of Israel, yet the Bible predicted that the Jewish nation would be destroyed, and then it tells you near the time of the end they would return. This has happened, just as the Scriptures have pointed out, and no one is laughting. And the Bible tells us that God is allowing this to anger the nations. This is not a fantasy, it is a fact. Just as the East Gate prophecy is a fact. The problem is, most people are so full of themselves that they have rejected the truth of the Bible, and they now find themselves refuting it's facts, while the Bible mocks their lack of knowledge.
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Old 11-24-2008, 10:14 AM
 
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. Well I finally said, you know God, there are two of these guys and only one of me, do you think you could do something to defuse the situation here? About two days later neither one of them were at work, I was told that Bob had a mental break down, and Mike's daughter suddenly came down with a brain tumor..
Damn...you think God gave somebody's innocent kid a brain tumor just because they didn't like your bible calendar? I'm guessing you're a Christian? Just want to say that Christianity's lovign God wouldn't give a kid a brain tumor just because of your calendar.
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