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Originally Posted by redbird4848
This is just a question, so please folks, please understand I am not trying to debunk the movie or christianity. During the time of Jesus, such as the time leading up to his resurrection, the jewish people were around the romans, is there anything in writing in the roman historic literature which references Jesus? One would think something was written somewhere to tie in the events in the bible were noted somewhere in roman empire scrolls, etc!
Just a thought.
Yep a lot. Several ancient secular (non-Christian) writers wrote about Jesus.
Cornelius Tacitus (A.D. 52-54)
Lucian of Samosata ( ? )
Flavius Josephus (A.D. 37)
Suetonius (A.D. 120)
Plinius Secundus (Also known as Pliny the Younger. He was a Governor in Asia Minor around A.D.112 )
Thallus (A.D. 52)
Phlegon (First Century)
Some Rabbinical references Jesus
Baraia - Babylonia Sanhedrin 43a
The Amoa "Ulla"
The Talmud
Even the Encyclopedia Britannica, fifteenth edition, uses 20,000 words to discribe Jesus. The evidance is there and it's not hard to find.
Yep a lot. Several ancient secular (non-Christian) writers wrote about Jesus.
Cornelius Tacitus (A.D. 52-54)
Lucian of Samosata ( ? )
Flavius Josephus (A.D. 37)
Suetonius (A.D. 120)
Plinius Secundus (Also known as Pliny the Younger. He was a Governor in Asia Minor around A.D.112 )
Thallus (A.D. 52)
Phlegon (First Century)
Some Rabbinical references Jesus
Baraia - Babylonia Sanhedrin 43a
The Amoa "Ulla"
The Talmud
Even the Encyclopedia Britannica, fifteenth edition, uses 20,000 words to discribe Jesus. The evidance is there and it's not hard to find.
Yep a lot. Several ancient secular (non-Christian) writers wrote about Jesus.
Cornelius Tacitus (A.D. 52-54)
Lucian of Samosata ( ? )
Flavius Josephus (A.D. 37)
Suetonius (A.D. 120)
Plinius Secundus (Also known as Pliny the Younger. He was a Governor in Asia Minor around A.D.112 )
Thallus (A.D. 52)
Phlegon (First Century)
Some Rabbinical references Jesus
Baraia - Babylonia Sanhedrin 43a
The Amoa "Ulla"
The Talmud
Even the Encyclopedia Britannica, fifteenth edition, uses 20,000 words to discribe Jesus. The evidance is there and it's not hard to find.
None of these were first hand accounts. All were results of heresay, just like the Encyclopedia Britannica, which also describes the God of War, Thor.
Some of your dates aren't correct either.
Cornelius Tacitus, (A.D. 52-54) Not born until A.D. 56
Lucian of Samosata, a 2nd Century Satirist
Josephus published his Antiquities of the Jewsin 97 a.d.
There are no references in Roman records and from no writings during his time from those who would've been present had these events occurred. But, people will believe what they want to believe.
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None of these were first hand accounts. All were results of heresay, just like the Encyclopedia Britannica, which also describes the God of War, Thor.
Some of your dates aren't correct either.
Cornelius Tacitus, (A.D. 52-54) Not born until A.D. 56
Lucian of Samosata, a 2nd Century Satirist
Josephus published his Antiquities of the Jewsin 97 a.d.
There are no references in Roman records and from no writings during his time from those who would've been present had these events occurred. But, people will believe what they want to believe.
I thank you, Amaznjohn, for this post of yours. See folks this is exactly what I knew would happen--present evidance to a skeptic (just like liberals when confronted with the truth) and they will bold face DENY IT!
I thank you, Amaznjohn, for this post of yours. See folks this is exactly what I knew would happen--present evidance to a skeptic (just like liberals when confronted with the truth) and they will bold face DENY IT!
Why your "amazing" alright, John!
Yet you DENY the existence of the tomb of Jesus. Do you see any similarities to your claim about presenting evidence to a skeptic?
Your "evidence" is not considered evidence if its not accurate. Hearsay is not confirmation of an event. There is NO, none, zilch, independent confirming documentation that Jesus existed. However, I do believe that this documentary makes a good case in that regard. I am willing to accept the possibility that Jesus existed, if the Christians are willing to accept that he was not physically raised from the dead.
Yet you DENY the existence of the tomb of Jesus. Do you see any similarities to your claim about presenting evidence to a skeptic?
Your "evidence" is not considered evidence if its not accurate. Hearsay is not confirmation of an event. There is NO, none, zilch, independent confirming documentation that Jesus existed. However, I do believe that this documentary makes a good case in that regard. I am willing to accept the possibility that Jesus existed, if the Christians are willing to accept that he was not physically raised from the dead.
Exactly, only their evidence ( if you can even call it that) is valid.
What makes you think a "man" can show the evidence you are looking for?
God sent Jesus to tell people about him. After everything Jesus did like, healing the blind man, walked on water, feed's 5,000, raises Lazarus from the dead and so many other things .
Some people still did not believe.
When the men came to get Jesus and take him away. His disciples started to fight to safe him. Jesus stopped them .
He said, don't you think if I wanted to I could call unto the heaven to save me.
* FAITH*
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. Hebrews 11:1
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exist and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. Hebrews 11:6
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-
and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God.
Ephesians 2:8.
We live by faith not by sight .
2 Corinthians 5:7.
What makes you think a "man" can show the evidence you are looking for?
God sent Jesus to tell people about him. After everything Jesus did like, healing the blind man, walked on water, feed's 5,000, raises Lazarus from the dead and so many other things .
Some people still did not believe.
When the men came to get Jesus and take him away. His disciples started to fight to safe him. Jesus stopped them .
He said, don't you think if I wanted to I could call unto the heaven to save me.
* FAITH*
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. Hebrews 11:1
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exist and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. Hebrews 11:6
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-
and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God.
Ephesians 2:8.
We live by faith not by sight .
2 Corinthians 5:7.
Quoting the Bible doesnt mean much to those that dont go by or believe in it. Faith isnt proof or fact, it is just faith. I have faith in things everyday doesnt mean they are true, more of I hope they are.
Nea1,
Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message,
and the message is heard through the word of Christ.
Sorry if I offended you, I was just giving my opinion like everyone else on here!
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