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It is laughable to me to see atheists attempt to take the high ground. Those of faith are clearly the backbone of this nation which was founded on Christian principles. How is it that Christians are, then, seen as attempting to take over? How does one take over that which he rightfully and historically owns?
Is it not the atheist who now wants to make of America something she was never created to be? Is it not the atheist who wants dominion--who masquerades as a force for tolerance when its ultimate goal is to stamp out religion wherever it finds it? Is it not atheism that kicked God out of schools and despises and fights against any public display of reverence for God? Is it not atheism that has infiltrated our schools systems with its anti-God, anti-moral, Evolution doctrines?
Do not point your fingers at Christianity and accuse it of dominion. It cannot wrongly dominate that which was created by it and for it! It is atheism that is the intruder. It is atheism that is intolerant while it points its finger at Christianity and shouts "intolerance!"
This nation was created by religious people seeking a nation under God. As such, those of faith are the true natives. Atheists should expect to be as much an anomaly in America as a Christian should expect to be in a Muslim nation. We would not go to Iraq and insist that they proclaim the Christ of Christianity and demand that Christianity have an influence in their Islamic society. Neither should atheists feel that they have the right to impose their antithetical, godless tenets upon the Judeo-Christian society in which they are privileged to live.
Why do atheists find it strange that those of faith want to preserve that upon which this nation was founded? We seek only to maintain our Judeo-Christian heritage. It is the atheist who is the dominionist because he will never be content living alongside those of faith--his ultimate goal is to wipe them out once and for all. Tolerant atheism is an oxymoron!
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And just what did you Christians do to the native people who were already here, your Christianity has the blood of millions on its hands for the deaths of many native people who were already living on this land for millennium before you showed up and forcefully took something which never belong to you in the name of your Christian God. So let me hear you speak of that and try to justify what Christianity did to my people and choose your words very carefully, my great-grandmother and some members of her/my family survived The Trail of Tears, others did not and are buried along that trail.
And just what did you Christians do to the native people who were already here, your Christianity has the blood of millions on its hands for the deaths of many native people who were already living on this land for millennium before you showed up and forcefully took something which never belong to you in the name of your Christian God. So let me hear you speak of that and try to justify what Christianity did to my people and choose your words very carefully, my great-grandmother and some members of her/my family survived The Trail of Tears, others did not and are buried along that trail.
While I feel badly that so many people were treated so poorly, I also feel that it's done and there is nothing that will undo it. Those who are alive now did not suffer through it, just as black people in America today did not suffer through slavery. My ancestors were woefully discriminated against in the past as well, and suffered terrible hardships because of it, but that doesn't mean that I am owed anything for it. It's human nature for a stronger culture to overwhelm a weaker one -- it's happened time and time again over the course of civilization. That doesn't make it "right" but it also doesn't mean that the grudge should be carried indefinitely.
While I feel badly that so many people were treated so poorly, I also feel that it's done and there is nothing that will undo it. Those who are alive now did not suffer through it, just as black people in America today did not suffer through slavery. My ancestors were woefully discriminated against in the past as well, and suffered terrible hardships because of it, but that doesn't mean that I am owed anything for it. It's human nature for a stronger culture to overwhelm a weaker one -- it's happened time and time again over the course of civilization. That doesn't make it "right" but it also doesn't mean that the grudge should be carried indefinitely.
You are correct and I carry no grudge but I also do not like the fact that a holier than thou Christian is trying to misconstrue the truth to make themselves look good in the eyes of their so called Christian God. They talk of intolerance and yet they are the biggest hypocrites when it comes to tolerance, to understand that, my people were here for millennium before the European Christian came to this land and try to forcibly change our belief system and culture and stole our children from us in the name of their Christianity to teach their beliefs to them and to try to eradicate our culture, so where is the tolerance in that? I have lived too many years and seen too many things that Christianity has done to my people and our culture to not speak up and call a lie a lie. I can live in peace and harmony with any culture or religion so long as they show respect for me and my culture and acknowledge the fact that we are here and that we do exist in our native land.
This is the opposite question from the thread regarding the influence of religion in society. I'm curious what religious people really think of atheists like myself, not so much as individuals but our overall influence and impact in society. I realize that religious people and atheists have totally opposite points of view regarding the existence of God but are there some of you who honestly feel that atheism is detrimental to our society? And if you think it is please explain why. Thanks.
yes.
Especially the neo-atheist crowd of Dawkins and Hitchens. I have yet to see a real, logical argument against God from any of them. Most of their schtick just involves belittling believers.
Especially the neo-atheist crowd of Dawkins and Hitchens. I have yet to see a real, logical argument against God from any of them. Most of their schtick just involves belittling believers.
Just an idle thought:
Say you had grown up in a land where god and religion had never been heard of or spoken about. What, then, would be your direct evidence for the existence of any supernatural being?
Dare I suggest that the conspicuous absence of anything in the world around you that might prompt you to make such a great discovery would be the most convincing 'proof' that God does not exist, rather than he does? My guess is that such a thought would never cross your mind even once, unless it was implanted there from birth.
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Especially the neo-atheist crowd of Dawkins and Hitchens. I have yet to see a real, logical argument against God from any of them. Most of their schtick just involves belittling believers.
Again, repeating what has been stated in this forum umpteen times...the burden of proof is on those who claim a deity exists, NOT on those who do not believe.
Especially the neo-atheist crowd of Dawkins and Hitchens. I have yet to see a real, logical argument against God from any of them. Most of their schtick just involves belittling believers.
Atheist argument against god is in a lack of evidence, physical evidence if you wish. We can't possibly prove god's non existence, because we believe it doesn't exist. However, part of prove is on you, you believe, you shall provide the fact of such deity existence, but remember, not everything in the bible is a fact, so if you want to list numerous scriptures, it will prove nothing to an atheist. Nothing, zilch!
Atheist argument against god is in a lack of evidence, physical evidence if you wish. We can't possibly prove god's non existence, because we believe it doesn't exist. However, part of prove is on you, you believe, you shall provide the fact of such deity existence, but remember, not everything in the bible is a fact, so if you want to list numerous scriptures, it will prove nothing to an atheist. Nothing, zilch!
Can you prove unicorns don't exist?
I'm an agnostic in regards to unicorns. I can make an educated guess, based on the fact that most of this world has been explored and they have not been discovered. But I'm not that arrogant to state that they could not possibly exist.
As for God..you have yet to give me ans answer to who created this universe?
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